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Thread: Neolithic Greeks on GEDMatch: implications for modern populations?11 days old

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    Quote Originally Posted by NonFingo View Post
    Polako's dogmatism is duly noted. Whenever he starts pontificating on African ancestry in Eurasia, just keep drawing attention to his habit of opinionated nay saying. He has no evidence: he's just bluffing. Soon enough people will start asking questions re: his dubious stats and glaring lack of evidence.
    What exactly is dogmatic about non-existent sub-Saharan admixture in prehistoric Europe or the Middle East? If such admixture had existed, it would very likely be widespread and found all over Eurasia. You might as well say prehistoric India or Siberia should have been SSA admixed too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    What exactly is dogmatic about non-existent sub-Saharan admixture in prehistoric Europe or the Middle East? If such admixture had existed, it would very likely be widespread and found all over Eurasia. You might as well say prehistoric India or Siberia should have been SSA admixed too.
    What would it take to prove SSA ancestry in Neolithic Europe? Please give a reasonable standard of evidence that can be met. So far I've seen people dismiss Neolithic mtDNA, ADMIXTURE results, GEDmatch results, Fst results, TreeMix results, qpAdm results, ROLLOFF admixture dates and skeletal evidence. If his comeback to all this data is things like "you're a moron" and "the results are invalid because I said so", then that's dogma, plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NonFingo View Post
    What would it take to prove SSA ancestry in Neolithic Europe? Please give a reasonable standard of evidence that can be met. So far I've seen people dismiss Neolithic mtDNA, ADMIXTURE results, GEDmatch results, Fst results, TreeMix results, qpAdm results, ROLLOFF admixture dates and skeletal evidence.
    I don't know, I'm not an expert on those genetic software tools. It's not like I spend any time on using them and comparing genome profiles at detailed levels. However, if there was Negroid admixture in Neolithic Europeans, it would still be around today in modern Europeans (including and especially mtDNA lineages). Unless you're suggesting that these Negroid mtDNA lineages and autosomal DNA somehow got perfectly wiped out, I don't think you have a case (and even such a suggestion is not very convincing anyhow).

    Quote Originally Posted by NonFingo View Post
    If his comeback to all this data is things like "you're a moron" and "the results are invalid because I said so", then that's dogma, plain and simple.
    Well my impression of Polako is that he's not dogmatic. He used to push for example, the origin of R1a in Poland a few years ago (which was a reasonable POV due to the R1a-M17 diversity in Poland), then he changed his mind on that when the ancient DNA record showed us that R1b and R1a very likely originated on the Pontic-Caspian steppe.

    As for calling tauromenion moron, yeah I agree that was a bit rude, and unnecessary, but it's not dogmatic.
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    What if I show you bones and African mtDNA lineages among ancient Neolithic specimen, (in addition to the one(s) reported in mathieson 2017).... Would you still argue that there was no "Negroid" influence because we can't detect them today? Would you then consider the possibility that there's overlap between what we consider the modern European genome and more recent ancient African signatures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    I don't know, I'm not an expert on those genetic software tools. It's not like I spend any time on using them and comparing genome profiles at detailed levels.
    It's not about being an expert. It's about going where the data takes you and accepting the formal stats you said were super objective. Do you still hold this view? If so, do you agree they are a valid way to test for SSA ancestry in neolithic Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    However, if there was Negroid admixture in Neolithic Europeans, it would still be around today in modern Europeans (including and especially mtDNA lineages). Unless you're suggesting that these Negroid mtDNA lineages and autosomal DNA somehow got perfectly wiped out, I don't think you have a case (and even such a suggestion is not very convincing anyhow).
    Such evidence was already posted.

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    Eurasia K9 ASI:
    # Population Percent
    1 WHG 76.06
    2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 23.94


    this is an intriguing result, where is the SSA here?

    Its an ancient SSA, so maybe some GED calcs have trouble interpreting it and place as west africa? or is it the other way around?

    Update--

    Near East Neolithic K13:
    # Population Percent
    1 SUB_SAHARAN 100


    What the???


    --perhaps gedmatch is not the most adequate tool for ancient samples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kriptc06 View Post
    Eurasia K9 ASI:
    # Population Percent
    1 WHG 76.06
    2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 23.94


    this is an intriguing result, where is the SSA here?

    Its an ancient SSA, so maybe some GED calcs have trouble interpreting it and place as west africa? or is it the other way around?

    Update--

    Near East Neolithic K13:
    # Population Percent
    1 SUB_SAHARAN 100


    What the???


    --perhaps gedmatch is not the most adequate tool for ancient samples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    Quit being a moron. Whoever did the BAM conversion screwed it up. That's where the "African"ancestry is from.
    Proof?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Game Theory View Post
    Proof?
    There were converted by "opengenomes" one year ago. The files were re-uploaded again to Gedmatch few weeks ago.
    Ancient DNA from Neolithic Greece - Page 12.

    If this conversion was reliable. I don't know.

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