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    I don't remember if we already had a thread before, but I opened this one for general information because so much has changed and updated during a few years.

    We have also a lot interesting linguistic research being related to this context. For example two things

    - old Germanic loan words in Finnish.
    - Western Finnish linguistic connections to the eastern Baltic-Finnic areas, like Karelian and Vepsian languages, dated to the first millennium.

    Haplotree:

    M253 - 4700 BP
    - Z17954
    - - FGC37297 - 3400 BP
    - - - Y19086 - 350 BP
    - DF29 - 4700 BP
    - + Y11210 - 1650 BP
    - - - A14411 - 1000 BP
    - + CTS6364
    - - - Y3886
    - - - - A5338
    - - - - - BY19608
    - - - - - - BY19612 - 900 BP
    - - - - S4767
    - - - - - Y6339
    - - - - - - Y12045
    - - - - - - Y22497 - 2800 BP
    - - - - - - - Y29646 - 600 BP
    - - - Z2337
    - - - - JN38 - 750 BP
    - - - - - JN42
    - - - - L22 - 4100 BP
    - - - - - Y3603
    - - - - - CTS11603
    - - - - - - Y5473
    - - - - - - - L300 - 2800 BP
    - - - - - - - - Y31032
    - - - - - P109 - 3400 BP
    - - - - - - Y3662
    - - - - - - - S14887
    - - - - - - - - S18218
    - - - - - CTS6868
    - - - - - - Y17927 - 2700 BP
    - - - - - - - Y17922 - 500 BP
    - - - - - - Z74 - 4100 BP
    - - - - - - - L813
    - - - - - - - - BY3474 - 400 BP
    - - - - - - - - Y18927
    - - - - - - - - - Y21736
    - - - - - - - - - - Y20861
    - - - - - - - - - - - Y23712 - 1650 BP
    - - - - - - - CTS2208 - 2900 BP - predominantly Swedish, but found in Germany, England, Poland and Russia. A "Viking type".
    - - - - - - - - Y20287
    - - - - - - - - CTS7676
    - - - - - - - - - L287 - 1900 BP - Finnish, but only a few results found, implying a bottle neck after CTS2208 migrated to Finland.
    - - - - - - - - - - BY594 - 1450 BP
    - - - - - - - - - - L258 - 1700 BP -predominantly Finnish, including all younger downstream clades
    - - - - - - - - - - - Y23448 - 1300 BP
    - - - - - - - - - - - BY3475
    - - - - - - - - - - - CTS2242
    - - - - - - - - - - - - Z133 - 1400 BP
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - Z134
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - BY511 - 1250 BP
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - CTS3496
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y13482
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y33709
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y15894 - 1300 BP
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - BY3476
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - BY545
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y8954
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - PF1123
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y20304
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y15897
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y16812 - 800 BP
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y22004
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y22888
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - M120
    - - - - - - - - - - - Z2045 - 1650 BP
    - - - - - - - - - - - - Y17401
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y21555
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y21558
    - - - - - - - - - - - - Y17220
    - - - - - - - - - - - BY2572 - 1450 BP
    - - - - - - - - - - - - L296
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - PR2047
    - - - - - - - - - - - - Y13389
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y17215
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y13390
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y33704
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y33707
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y19655
    - - - - - - - - - - - Y8598 - 1500 BP
    - - - - - - - - - - - - Y17639
    - - - - - - - - - - - - Y16256
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y16174
    - - - - - - - - - - - BY510
    - - - - - - - - - - - - Y2426
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y17381
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y17380
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y16170
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y16342
    - - - - - - - - - - - - Y15585
    - - - - - - - - - - - - - Y15859
    - + Z58 - 4700 BP
    - - - Z59
    - - - - Z60
    - - - - - Y12342
    - - - - - - A1914 - 3500 BP
    - - - - - - - A6172 - 2200 BP
    - - - - - - - - A11054
    - - - - - - - - M1728 - 700 BP
    - - - - - - - - - A6178
    - - - - - Z140
    - - - - - CTS7362
    - - - - - - CTS9352 - 3800 BP
    - - - - - - - Z73 - 2200 BP
    - - - - - - - - BY266
    - - - - - - - - - L1302 - 1700 BP
    - - - - - - - - - - FGC8688
    - - - - - - - - - - - BY212
    - - - - - - - - - - BY147
    - - - - - - - - - - A9901
    - - - - Z2040
    - - - - - Z382 - 3500 BP
    - - - - - - Y5384
    - - - - - - - Y11930 - 1800 BP
    - - - - - - - - Y15694
    - - - - - - - - - Y29641 - 700 BP
    - - - - - - - - A9373 - 1550 BP
    - - - - - - - - - Y19079 - 400 BP
    - + Z63 - 4200 BP




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    I1 - Transdanubia 5000 BC

    Three simple facts about Finns:
    1. Baltic Finnic languages (including Finnish) never came from the Volga basin along with ancestors of present-day Finns.
    2. Finnish I1 (around 30% of all Finns) has Germanic roots from the late Bronze Age or the early Iron Age.
    3. As to the Finnish prehistory we have no evidences about any Iron Age (or later) east-to-west migration, but many unquestionable evidences about west-to-east migrations.

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