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    http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/americas-2nd-civil-war-2/

    America's 2nd Civil War
    Pat Buchanan: 'Like ISIS ... the new barbarism has come to America'


    "They had found a leader, Robert E. Lee – and what a leader! … No military leader since Napoleon has aroused such enthusiastic devotion among troops as did Lee when he reviewed them on his horse Traveller.”

    So wrote Samuel Eliot Morison in his magisterial “The Oxford History of the American People” in 1965.

    First in his class at West Point, hero of the Mexican War, Lee was the man to whom President Lincoln turned to lead his army. But when Virginia seceded, Lee would not lift up his sword against his own people and chose to defend his home state rather than wage war upon her.

    This veneration of Lee, wrote Richard Weaver, “appears in the saying attributed to a Confederate soldier, ‘The rest of us may have … descended from monkeys, but it took a God to make Marse Robert.'”

    Growing up after World War II, this was accepted history.

    Yet, on the militant left today, the name Lee evokes raw hatred and howls of “racist and traitor.” A clamor has arisen to have all statues of him and all Confederate soldiers and statesmen pulled down from their pedestals and put in museums or tossed onto trash piles.

    What has changed since 1965?

    It is not history. There have been no great new discoveries about Lee.

    What has changed is America herself. She is not the same country. We have passed through a great social, cultural and moral revolution that has left us irretrievably divided on separate shores.

    And the politicians are in panic.

    Two years ago, Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe called the giant statues of Lee and “Stonewall” Jackson on Richmond’s Monument Avenue “parts of our heritage.” After Charlottesville, New York-born-and-bred McAuliffe, entertaining higher ambitions, went full scalawag, demanding the statues be pulled down as “flashpoints for hatred, division and violence.”

    Who hates the statues, Terry? Who’s going to cause the violence? Answer: The Democratic left whom Terry must now appease.

    McAuliffe is echoed by Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam, the Democratic candidate in November to succeed McAuliffe. GOP nominee Ed Gillespie wants Monument Avenue left alone.

    The election is the place to decide this, but the left will not wait.

    In Durham, North Carolina, our Taliban smashed the statue of a Confederate soldier. Near the entrance of Duke University Chapel, a statue of Lee has been defaced, the nose broken off.

    Wednesday at dawn, Baltimore carried out a cultural cleansing by taking down statues of Lee and Maryland Chief Justice Roger Taney who wrote the Dred Scott decision and opposed Lincoln’s suspension of the right of habeas corpus.

    Like ISIS, which smashed the storied ruins of Palmyra, and the al-Qaida rebels who ravaged the fabled Saharan city of Timbuktu, the new barbarism has come to America. This is going to become a blazing issue, not only between but within the parties.

    For there are 10 Confederates in Statuary Hall in the Capitol, among them Lee, Georgia’s Alexander Stephens, vice president to Jefferson Davis, and Davis himself. The Black Caucus wants them gone.

    Mount Rushmore-sized carvings of Lee, Jackson and Davis are on Stone Mountain, Georgia. Are they to be blasted off?

    There are countless universities, colleges and high schools like Washington & Lee named for Confederate statesmen and soldiers. Across the Potomac from D.C. are Jefferson Davis Highway and Leesburg Pike to Leesburg itself, 25 miles north. Are all highways, streets, towns and counties named for Confederates to be renamed? What about Fort Bragg?

    On every Civil War battlefield, there are monuments to the Southern fallen. Gettysburg has hundreds of memorials, statues and markers. But if, as the left insists we accept, the Confederates were traitors trying to tear America apart to preserve an evil system, upon what ground do Democrats stand to resist the radical left’s demands?

    What do we do with those battlefields where Confederates were victorious: Bull Run, Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville?

    “Where does this all end?” President Trump asked.

    It doesn’t. Not until America’s histories and biographies are burned and new texts written to Nazify Lee, Jackson, Davis and all the rest, will a newly indoctrinated generation of Americans accede to this demand to tear down and destroy what their fathers cherished.

    And once all the Confederates are gone, one must begin with the explorers, and then the slave owners like Presidents Washington, Jefferson and Madison, who seceded from slave-free Britain. White supremacists all.

    Andrew Jackson, Henry Clay of Kentucky and John Calhoun must swiftly follow.

    Then there are all those segregationists. From 1865 to 1965, virtually all of the great Southern senators were white supremacists.

    In the first half of the 20th century, Woodrow Wilson and FDR carried all 11 states of a rigidly segregationist South all six times they ran, and FDR rewarded Dixie by putting a Klansman on the Supreme Court.

    While easy for Republicans to wash their hands of such odious elements as Nazis in Charlottesville, will they take up the defense of the monuments and statues that have defined our history, or capitulate to the icon-smashers?

    In this Second American Civil War, whose side are you on?
    I'm on the side of preserving the monuments and statues.

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    You can't just put monuments n' statues to waste.

    MUSEUMS!
    US govt official: “You have observed the white man for 90 years. You’ve seen his wars and his technological advances. You’ve seen his progess, and the damage he’s done.”

    Two Eagles: “When white man find land, Indians running it, no taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, clean water. Women do all the work, medicine man free, Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing, all night having sex.... Only white man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that.”

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    Fuck your statues. Fuck your heritage.
    Like other hitleresque bullshit, it should be wiped from the face of the USor relegated to museums.

    It is unamerican to idolize these were Treasonous fucks and their non-American flags.

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    http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/monta...oved/605607376

    Confederate memorial in Helena ordered removed

    HELENA, Mont. - The Helena City Commission has ordered the removal of a Confederate memorial from a city park.

    Mayor Jim Smith said during an administrative meeting Wednesday evening that he believes the memorial poses a safety concern following a weekend of violence, including a death, at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.

    Smith was previously opposed to removing or altering the granite fountain, which was commissioned by the United Daughters of the Confederacy and dedicated in 1916.

    Native American lawmakers in Montana called for the memorial's removal Tuesday, saying such monuments have stood for segregation, secession and slavery.

    Removing the memorial was first considered two years ago, after a man who had been photographed with the Confederate flag shot and killed nine people at a South Carolina church. At the time, Smith cautioned against "obliterating history."





    Confederate Monuments Are Coming Down
    Across the United States. Here’s a List.

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    They shouldn't be demolished, but it has no place in the public squares either, putting them in museums is the ideal choice. Germany has done the same thing with their historical artifacts that leave a bad taste, left in exhibits to teach about what not to repeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    It is unamerican to idolize these were Treasonous fucks and their non-American flags.
    What a dumb ass! How can American history be "unamerican" ? The Confederate flags and monuments represent American history ..the good, the bad and the ugly. Only ignorant progressives want to destroy the real American history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thetick View Post
    What a dumb ass! How can American history be "unamerican" ? The Confederate flags and monuments represent American history ..the good, the bad and the ugly. Only ignorant progressives want to destroy the real American history.
    Statues and monuments are NOT history. They only venerate historical figures and events...with a purpose. Your statements show that you are the one that is brainwashed. Most of these statues were put up by butthurt racists only in response to Black people getting civil rights. I frankly don't care about them but if states and local governments see fit to remove these confederate statues venerating traitors and LOSERS then so be it. But let us be clear, statues and monuments are NOT history.

    And there is no 2nd civil war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWF View Post
    Statues and monuments are NOT history. They only venerate historical figures and events...with a purpose. Your statements show that you are the one that is brainwashed. Most of these statues were put up by butthurt racists only in response to Black people getting civil rights. I frankly don't care about them but if states and local governments see fit to remove these confederate statues venerating traitors and LOSERS then so be it. But let us be clear, statues and monuments are NOT history.

    And there is no 2nd civil war.
    I agree with you that we shouldn't be venerating these traitors, though I also like Germany's example in how they tackle their Nazi past.
    "Living or dying, it's not a big deal. What we should be concerned about is whether or not we're allowed to crawl to our graves."

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_garcia49 View Post
    I agree with you that we shouldn't be venerating these traitors, though I also like Germany's example in how they tackle their Nazi past.
    Yes they shut that shit down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWF View Post

    And there is no 2nd civil war.
    There might not be one in the sense of two conventional armies clashing in distant battlefields, but the situation has certainly deteriorated into a quasi-Weimar status, in which both right wing and left wing partisans are duking it out on the streets:



    It doesn't bode well for the future if this keeps escalating.

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