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    Default Ted Kaczynski criticizing Leftists and Conservatives

    I was recently reading his manifesto and astounded by how a lot of the criticisms are starting to seem more true. I ask questions near the end:

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    Here are some relevant passages that stood out -- I bolded certain passages to help give context to questions at the end.

    7. But what is leftism? During the first half of the 20th century
    leftism could have been practically identified with socialism. Today
    the movement is fragmented and it is not clear who can properly be
    called a leftist. When we speak of leftists in this article we have in
    mind mainly socialists, collectivists, "politically correct" types,
    feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and
    the like. But not everyone who is associated with one of these
    movements is a leftist. What we are trying to get at in discussing
    leftism is not so much a movement or an ideology as a psychological
    type, or rather a collection of related types. Thus, what we mean by
    "leftism" will emerge more clearly in the course of our discussion of
    leftist psychology (Also, see paragraphs 227-230.)

    8. Even so, our conception of leftism will remain a good deal less
    clear than we would wish, but there doesn't seem to be any remedy for
    this. All we are trying to do is indicate in a rough and approximate
    way the two psychological tendencies that we believe are the main
    driving force of modern leftism. We by no means claim to be telling
    the WHOLE truth about leftist psychology. Also, our discussion is
    meant to apply to modern leftism only. We leave open the question of
    the extent to which our discussion could be applied to the leftists of
    the 19th and early 20th century.

    9. The two psychological tendencies that underlie modern leftism we
    call "feelings of inferiority" and "oversocialization." Feelings of
    inferiority are characteristic of modern leftism as a whole, while
    oversocialization is characteristic only of a certain segment of
    modern leftism; but this segment is highly influential.

    FEELINGS OF INFERIORITY



    10. By "feelings of inferiority" we mean not only inferiority feelings
    in the strictest sense but a whole spectrum of related traits: low
    self-esteem, feelings of powerlessness, depressive tendencies,
    defeatism, guilt, self-hatred, etc. We argue that modern leftists tend
    to have such feelings (possibly more or less repressed) and that these
    feelings are decisive in determining the direction of modern leftism.

    11. When someone interprets as derogatory almost anything that is said
    about him (or about groups with whom he identifies) we conclude that
    he has inferiority feelings or low self-esteem. This tendency is
    pronounced among minority rights advocates, whether or not they belong
    to the minority groups whose rights they defend. They are
    hypersensitive about the words used to designate minorities. The terms
    "negro," "oriental," "handicapped" or "chick" for an African, an
    Asian, a disabled person or a woman originally had no derogatory
    connotation. "Broad" and "chick" were merely the feminine equivalents
    of "guy," "dude" or "fellow." The negative connotations have been
    attached to these terms by the activists themselves. Some animal
    rights advocates have gone so far as to reject the word "pet" and
    insist on its replacement by "animal companion." Leftist
    anthropologists go to great lengths to avoid saying anything about
    primitive peoples that could conceivably be interpreted as negative.
    They want to replace the word "primitive" by "nonliterate." They seem
    almost paranoid about anything that might suggest that any primitive
    culture is inferior to our own. (We do not mean to imply that
    primitive cultures ARE inferior to ours. We merely point out the
    hypersensitivity of leftish anthropologists.)

    12. Those who are most sensitive about "politically incorrect"
    terminology are not the average black ghetto-dweller, Asian immigrant,
    abused woman or disabled person, but a minority of activists, many of
    whom do not even belong to any "oppressed" group but come from
    privileged strata of society. Political correctness has its stronghold
    among university professors, who have secure employment with
    comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual, white
    males from middle-class families.

    13. Many leftists have an intense identification with the problems of
    groups that have an image of being weak (women), defeated (American
    Indians), repellent (homosexuals), or otherwise inferior. The leftists
    themselves feel that these groups are inferior. They would never admit
    it to themselves that they have such feelings, but it is precisely
    because they do see these groups as inferior that they identify with
    their problems.
    (We do not suggest that women, Indians, etc., ARE
    inferior; we are only making a point about leftist psychology).

    14. Feminists are desperately anxious to prove that women are as
    strong as capable as men. Clearly they are nagged by a fear that women
    may NOT be as strong and as capable as men.

    15. Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong,
    good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western
    civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The
    reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not
    correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West
    because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so
    forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in
    primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he
    GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points
    out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in
    Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the
    leftist's real motive for hating America and the West. He hates
    America and the West because they are strong and successful.

    16. Words like "self-confidence," "self-reliance," "initiative",
    "enterprise," "optimism," etc. play little role in the liberal and
    leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti-individualistic,
    pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve everyone's needs for them,
    take care of them. He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense
    of confidence in his own ability to solve his own problems and satisfy
    his own needs. The leftist is antagonistic to the concept of
    competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser.

    ...

    24. Psychologists use the term "socialization" to designate the
    process by which children are trained to think and act as society
    demands. A person is said to be well socialized if he believes in and
    obeys the moral code of his society and fits in well as a functioning
    part of that society. It may seem senseless to say that many leftists
    are over-socialized, since the leftist is perceived as a rebel.
    Nevertheless, the position can be defended. Many leftists are not such
    rebels as they seem.

    25. The moral code of our society is so demanding that no one can
    think, feel and act in a completely moral way. For example, we are not
    supposed to hate anyone, yet almost everyone hates somebody at some
    time or other, whether he admits it to himself or not. Some people are
    so highly socialized that the attempt to think, feel and act morally
    imposes a severe burden on them. In order to avoid feelings of guilt,
    they continually have to deceive themselves about their own motives
    and find moral explanations for feelings and actions that in reality
    have a non-moral origin. We use the term "oversocialized" to describe
    such people. [2]


    26. Oversocialization can lead to low self-esteem, a sense of
    powerlessness, defeatism, guilt, etc. One of the most important means
    by which our society socializes children is by making them feel
    ashamed of behavior or speech that is contrary to society's
    expectations. If this is overdone, or if a particular child is
    especially susceptible to such feelings, he ends by feeling ashamed of
    HIMSELF. Moreover the thought and the behavior of the oversocialized
    person are more restricted by society's expectations than are those of
    the lightly socialized person. The majority of people engage in a
    significant amount of naughty behavior. They lie, they commit petty
    thefts, they break traffic laws, they goof off at work, they hate
    someone, they say spiteful things or they use some underhanded trick
    to get ahead of the other guy. The oversocialized person cannot do
    these things, or if he does do them he generates in himself a sense of
    shame and self-hatred. The oversocialized person cannot even
    experience, without guilt, thoughts or feelings that are contrary to
    the accepted morality; he cannot think "unclean" thoughts. And
    socialization is not just a matter of morality; we are socialized to
    confirm to many norms of behavior that do not fall under the heading
    of morality. Thus the oversocialized person is kept on a psychological
    leash and spends his life running on rails that society has laid down
    for him. In many oversocialized people this results in a sense of
    constraint and powerlessness that can be a severe hardship. We suggest
    that oversocialization is among the more serious cruelties that human
    beings inflict on one another.

    27. We argue that a very important and influential segment of the
    modern left is oversocialized and that their oversocialization is of
    great importance in determining the direction of modern leftism.
    Leftists of the oversocialized type tend to be intellectuals or
    members of the upper-middle class. Notice that university
    intellectuals (3) constitute the most highly socialized segment of our
    society and also the most left-wing segment.

    28. The leftist of the oversocialized type tries to get off his
    psychological leash and assert his autonomy by rebelling. But usually
    he is not strong enough to rebel against the most basic values of
    society. Generally speaking, the goals of today's leftists are NOT in
    conflict with the accepted morality. On the contrary, the left takes
    an accepted moral principle, adopts it as its own, and then accuses
    mainstream society of violating that principle. Examples: racial
    equality, equality of the sexes, helping poor people, peace as opposed
    to war, nonviolence generally, freedom of expression, kindness to
    animals. More fundamentally, the duty of the individual to serve
    society and the duty of society to take care of the individual. All
    these have been deeply rooted values of our society (or at least of
    its middle and upper classes (4) for a long time. These values are
    explicitly or implicitly expressed or presupposed in most of the
    material presented to us by the mainstream communications media and
    the educational system. Leftists, especially those of the
    oversocialized type, usually do not rebel against these principles but
    justify their hostility to society by claiming (with some degree of
    truth) that society is not living up to these principles.

    29. Here is an illustration of the way in which the oversocialized
    leftist shows his real attachment to the conventional attitudes of our
    society while pretending to be in rebellion against it. Many leftists
    push for affirmative action, for moving black people into
    high-prestige jobs, for improved education in black schools and more
    money for such schools; the way of life of the black "underclass" they
    regard as a social disgrace. They want to integrate the black man into
    the system, make him a business executive, a lawyer, a scientist just
    like upper-middle-class white people. The leftists will reply that the
    last thing they want is to make the black man into a copy of the white
    man; instead, they want to preserve African American culture. But in
    what does this preservation of African American culture consist? It
    can hardly consist in anything more than eating black-style food,
    listening to black-style music, wearing black-style clothing and going
    to a black-style church or mosque. In other words, it can express
    itself only in superficial matters. In all ESSENTIAL respects more
    leftists of the oversocialized type want to make the black man conform
    to white, middle-class ideals. They want to make him study technical
    subjects, become an executive or a scientist, spend his life climbing
    the status ladder to prove that black people are as good as white.
    They want to make black fathers "responsible." they want black gangs
    to become nonviolent, etc. But these are exactly the values of the
    industrial-technological system. The system couldn't care less what
    kind of music a man listens to, what kind of clothes he wears or what
    religion he believes in as long as he studies in school, holds a
    respectable job, climbs the status ladder, is a "responsible" parent,
    is nonviolent and so forth. In effect, however much he may deny it,
    the oversocialized leftist wants to integrate the black man into the
    system and make him adopt its values.

    30. We certainly do not claim that leftists, even of the
    oversocialized type, NEVER rebel against the fundamental values of our
    society. Clearly they sometimes do. Some oversocialized leftists have
    gone so far as to rebel against one of modern society's most important
    principles by engaging in physical violence. By their own account,
    violence is for them a form of "liberation." In other words, by
    committing violence they break through the psychological restraints
    that have been trained into them. Because they are oversocialized
    these restraints have been more confining for them than for others;
    hence their need to break free of them. But they usually justify their
    rebellion in terms of mainstream values. If they engage in violence
    they claim to be fighting against racism or the like

    ..,

    50. The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of
    traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological
    progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that
    you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the
    economy of a society with out causing rapid changes in all other
    aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably
    break down traditional values.


    51.The breakdown of traditional values to some extent implies the
    breakdown of the bonds that hold together traditional small-scale
    social groups. The disintegration of small-scale social groups is also
    promoted by the fact that modern conditions often require or tempt
    individuals to move to new locations, separating themselves from their
    communities. Beyond that, a technological society HAS TO weaken family
    ties and local communities if it is to function efficiently. In modern
    society an individual's loyalty must be first to the system and only
    secondarily to a small-scale community, because if the internal
    loyalties of small-scale small-scale communities were stronger than
    loyalty to the system, such communities would pursue their own
    advantage at the expense of the system.

    52. Suppose that a public official or a corporation executive appoints
    his cousin, his friend or his co-religionist to a position rather than
    appointing the person best qualified for the job. He has permitted
    personal loyalty to supersede his loyalty to the system, and that is
    "nepotism" or "discrimination," both of which are terrible sins in
    modern society. Would-be industrial societies that have done a poor
    job of subordinating personal or local loyalties to loyalty to the
    system are usually very inefficient. (Look at Latin America.) Thus an
    advanced industrial society can tolerate only those small-scale
    communities that are emasculated, tamed and made into tools of the
    system. [7]

    Questions

    1: ) Do you agree that leftism largely stems from feelings of inferiority and oversocializaiton?

    2: ) Do you agree modern conservatives tend to place more value on economic growth rather than preserving communal stability?

    3: ) Has industrialization led to society becoming more about productivity and blind obedience, making us all analogous to factory farm animals?

    I only read up to point 59 because I have things to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Kaczynski

    SOME PRINCIPLES OF HISTORY



    99. Think of history as being the sum of two components: an erratic
    component that consists of unpredictable events that follow no
    discernible pattern, and a regular component that consists of
    long-term historical trends. Here we are concerned with the long-term
    trends.

    100. FIRST PRINCIPLE. If a SMALL change is made that affects a
    long-term historical trend, then the effect of that change will almost
    always be transitory - the trend will soon revert to its original
    state. (Example: A reform movement designed to clean up political
    corruption in a society rarely has more than a short-term effect;
    sooner or later the reformers relax and corruption creeps back in. The
    level of political corruption in a given society tends to remain
    constant, or to change only slowly with the evolution of the society.
    Normally, a political cleanup will be permanent only if accompanied by
    widespread social changes; a SMALL change in the society won't be
    enough.) If a small change in a long-term historical trend appears to
    be permanent, it is only because the change acts in the direction in
    which the trend is already moving, so that the trend is not altered
    but only pushed a step ahead.

    101. The first principle is almost a tautology. If a trend were not
    stable with respect to small changes, it would wander at random rather
    than following a definite direction; in other words it would not be a
    long-term trend at all.

    102. SECOND PRINCIPLE. If a change is made that is sufficiently large
    to alter permanently a long-term historical trend, than it will alter
    the society as a whole. In other words, a society is a system in which
    all parts are interrelated, and you can't permanently change any
    important part without change all the other parts as well.

    103. THIRD PRINCIPLE. If a change is made that is large enough to
    alter permanently a long-term trend, then the consequences for the
    society as a whole cannot be predicted in advance. (Unless various
    other societies have passed through the same change and have all
    experienced the same consequences, in which case one can predict on
    empirical grounds that another society that passes through the same
    change will be like to experience similar consequences.)

    104. FOURTH PRINCIPLE. A new kind of society cannot be designed on
    paper. That is, you cannot plan out a new form of society in advance,
    then set it up and expect it to function as it was designed to.

    105. The third and fourth principles result from the complexity of
    human societies. A change in human behavior will affect the economy of
    a society and its physical environment; the economy will affect the
    environment and vice versa, and the changes in the economy and the
    environment will affect human behavior in complex, unpredictable ways;
    and so forth. The network of causes and effects is far too complex to
    be untangled and understood.

    106. FIFTH PRINCIPLE. People do not consciously and rationally choose
    the form of their society. Societies develop through processes of
    social evolution that are not under rational human control.

    107. The fifth principle is a consequence of the other four.

    108. To illustrate: By the first principle, generally speaking an
    attempt at social reform either acts in the direction in which the
    society is developing anyway (so that it merely accelerates a change
    that would have occurred in any case) or else it only has a transitory
    effect, so that the society soon slips back into its old groove. To
    make a lasting change in the direction of development of any important
    aspect of a society, reform is insufficient and revolution is
    required. (A revolution does not necessarily involve an armed uprising
    or the overthrow of a government.) By the second principle, a
    revolution never changes only one aspect of a society; and by the
    third principle changes occur that were never expected or desired by
    the revolutionaries. By the fourth principle, when revolutionaries or
    utopians set up a new kind of society, it never works out as planned.
    ....

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    Ted Kaczynski: a man ahead of his time, in more ways than one.

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    Interesting.
    Correction: there are 'leftists' and leftists.

    He writes about 'leftists' and I somehow agree- deep inside many of those people are hypocrytes- patronysing and looking down at the people they apparently protect- it is to build an image of a modern, cosmopolitan man of the world. The poor or blacks and only a tool. These are social motives.

    Other have low self esteem and find 'weak' people to 'defend' them and just be above someone.= psychological motives.

    There are real leftists too though- people who just happen to have more empathy, more imagination than your average Joe.
    Sometimes cause they are more intelligent, more willing to make an effort and think, sometimes cause they witnesses some things or have gone through them themselves so have better understanding.

    I used to think or believe that majority of people are dumb. I don't think that anymore, I learnt that average people have average intelligence and they have capability to understand some basic concepts or see a different angle.

    It is just that most people are extremely egocentric and focused on 'me, mine, my, I'. I see it on internet forums constantly- the writers seem to think that they are the centre of the world.
    Am I right or am I wrong?

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    Ted Kaczynski was more of an anarchist that opposed transhumanism (technological nihilism). He wasn't incorrect opposing conservatism (capitalism) and liberalism (marxism) in that both are flawed systems however what he gets wrong is society's ability to exist without government much like all anarchists do.
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