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    Quote Originally Posted by thetick View Post
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    Looks good, the first test for ancient admixture that sounds even a little credible. Ftdna's ancient admixture test is shit and most of Gedmatch ancient tests are also shit.

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    Three simple facts about Finns:
    1. Baltic Finnic languages (including Finnish) never came from the Volga basin along with ancestors of present-day Finns.
    2. Finnish I1 (around 30% of all Finns) has Germanic roots from the late Bronze Age or the early Iron Age.
    3. As to the Finnish prehistory we have no evidences about any Iron Age (or later) east-to-west migration, but many unquestionable evidences about west-to-east migrations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    My results after today's update:

    1. Ancient Farmers & Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers - 49.9 %, including:

    a) South-Eastern European Farmers - 29.0 %
    b) Iberian (West European) Farmers - 9.7 %

    c) Neolithic and Bronze Age Levant - 2.8 %

    c) CHG and Neolithic-Chalcolithic Iran - 8.4 %

    2. Steppe Cultures - 27.3 %, including:

    a) Andronovo and Srubnaya - 10.1 %
    b) Yamnaya-Afanasievo-Poltavka - 9.2 %
    c) Karasuk and Scytho-Sarmatians - 8.0 %

    3. Western European and Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherers - 22.8 %
    My Steppe Culture percentages are same (though numbers differ), but the Ancient Farmer proportion differs from yours and I have no Caucasus HG in the header. Here are my numbers:

    WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)9.5%
    LEVANT (4000-8000 years)3.6%
    NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)1.2%
    EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years)24.0%

    The Levant proportion is interesting, because I have seen it very often in my results. As a Finn shouldn't have it, but some Gedmatch tests and also FtDna gives me some percentages ancient NE. It looks like they have several bundles of ancient farmer populations and they try to find the best fit, but I can't say how good they have been in making those bundles.
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    Three simple facts about Finns:
    1. Baltic Finnic languages (including Finnish) never came from the Volga basin along with ancestors of present-day Finns.
    2. Finnish I1 (around 30% of all Finns) has Germanic roots from the late Bronze Age or the early Iron Age.
    3. As to the Finnish prehistory we have no evidences about any Iron Age (or later) east-to-west migration, but many unquestionable evidences about west-to-east migrations.

    Väinämöinen - R1a
    Lemminkäinen - I1
    Joukahainen - N

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    the reference that the creator of this calculator used for east european farmers
    and for west european farmers components



    Here are the references for E European Farmer that Dilawer me:


    Anatolia_N I0707
    Anatolia_N I0708
    Anatolia_N I0709
    Anatolia_N I0744
    Anatolia_N I0745
    Anatolia_N I0746
    Anatolia_N I1580
    Anatolia_N I1581
    Anatolia_N I1583
    Anatolia_N I1585
    Anatolia_N_Imputed Bar8
    Anatolia_N_Imputed Bar31
    Central_LNBA_Imputed RISE150
    Central_LNBA_Imputed RISE577
    Europe_EN CB13
    Europe_EN I1505
    Europe_EN I1506
    Europe_LNBA I0099
    Europe_LNBA I0103
    Europe_LNBA I0104
    Europe_LNBA I0112
    Europe_LNBA I0117
    Europe_LNBA I0118
    Europe_LNBA I0164
    Europe_MNChL I1497
    Europe_MNChL Matojo
    Greek_EN_Imputed Rev5
    Greek_LN_Imputed Klei10
    Greek_LN_Imputed Pal7
    Stuttgart_Imputed LBK






    These are for the W European Farmer:

    Europe_MNChL I0172
    Europe_MNChL I0408
    Portugal_BA_Imputed MonteGato104
    Portugal_BA_Imputed TV3831
    Portugal_BA_Imputed TV32032
    Portugal_LN_Imputed CabecoArruda122A
    Portugal_LN_Imputed CovaMoura9B
    Portugal_LN_Imputed CovaMoura364
    Portugal_LN_Imputed DolmenAnsiao96B
    Portugal_MN_Imputed LugarCanto41
    Portugal_MN_Imputed LugarCanto42
    Portugal_MN_Imputed LugarCanto44
    Spain_Chl_Imputed ATP2
    Spain_Chl_Imputed ATP12-1420
    Spain_Chl_Imputed ATP16

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    the reference that the creator of this calculator used for east european farmers
    and for west european farmers components



    Here are the references for E European Farmer that Dilawer me:


    Anatolia_N I0707
    Anatolia_N I0708
    Anatolia_N I0709
    Anatolia_N I0744
    Anatolia_N I0745
    Anatolia_N I0746
    Anatolia_N I1580
    Anatolia_N I1581
    Anatolia_N I1583
    Anatolia_N I1585
    Anatolia_N_Imputed Bar8
    Anatolia_N_Imputed Bar31
    Central_LNBA_Imputed RISE150
    Central_LNBA_Imputed RISE577
    Europe_EN CB13
    Europe_EN I1505
    Europe_EN I1506
    Europe_LNBA I0099
    Europe_LNBA I0103
    Europe_LNBA I0104
    Europe_LNBA I0112
    Europe_LNBA I0117
    Europe_LNBA I0118
    Europe_LNBA I0164
    Europe_MNChL I1497
    Europe_MNChL Matojo
    Greek_EN_Imputed Rev5
    Greek_LN_Imputed Klei10
    Greek_LN_Imputed Pal7
    Stuttgart_Imputed LBK






    These are for the W European Farmer:

    Europe_MNChL I0172
    Europe_MNChL I0408
    Portugal_BA_Imputed MonteGato104
    Portugal_BA_Imputed TV3831
    Portugal_BA_Imputed TV32032
    Portugal_LN_Imputed CabecoArruda122A
    Portugal_LN_Imputed CovaMoura9B
    Portugal_LN_Imputed CovaMoura364
    Portugal_LN_Imputed DolmenAnsiao96B
    Portugal_MN_Imputed LugarCanto41
    Portugal_MN_Imputed LugarCanto42
    Portugal_MN_Imputed LugarCanto44
    Spain_Chl_Imputed ATP2
    Spain_Chl_Imputed ATP12-1420
    Spain_Chl_Imputed ATP16

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    ANCIENT FARMERS
    78.6%
    WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)
    27.5%


    LEVANT (4000-8000 years)
    7.1%


    NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)
    10.9%


    EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years)
    33.1%

    STEPPE CULTURES
    18.5%

    STEPPE CULTURES18.5%
    KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years)9.0%
    ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years)3.7%
    YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years)5.8%

    AFRICAN
    1.8%
    EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern)
    0.7%
    SOUTHEAST EURASIAN
    0.4%
    WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years)
    0.0%



    p.s
    1.8% east african i thought i would score higher .....
    i wonder about the 9% east scytian ......

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    ANCIENT FARMERS 57.6%
    WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years) 14.3%
    LEVANT (4000-8000 years) 5.6%
    NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years) 12.2%
    EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years) 25.4%

    STEPPE CULTURES 40.0%
    KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years) 15.8%
    ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years) 7.8%
    YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years) 16.3%

    SOUTHEAST EURASIAN 1.3%

    AFRICAN 1.1%
    EAST AFRICAN (modern) 1.1%

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    SOUTHEAST EURASIAN 41.0%

    ANCIENT FARMERS 29.8%
    WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years) 0.0%
    LEVANT (4000-8000 years) 3.6%
    NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years) 18.2%
    EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years) 8.0%

    STEPPE CULTURES 20.2%
    KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years) 5.7%
    ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years) 7.9%
    YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years) 6.6%

    EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern) 5.2%

    AFRICAN 3.7%

    EAST AFRICAN (modern) 3.7%
    WEST AFRICAN (modern) 0.0%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    Looks good, the first test for ancient admixture that sounds even a little credible. Ftdna's ancient admixture test is shit and most of Gedmatch ancient tests are also shit.

    Finns are more Neolithic farmer than proto-Indo-European?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Finns are more Neolithic farmers than proto-Indo-Europeans?
    The farmer proportion is somewhat too big and steppe too small. In my own tests I use different divisions:

    Central European Bronze Age 27%
    European Neolithic Farmer 19%
    European MNChL 9%
    East European Steppe EMBA 15%

    If we put together Neolithic Farmer and MNChL my Farmer proportion is 28% and the Yamnaya-like proportion is 15%, but Central European Bronze Age also holds some farmer ancestry. If we assume that the Central European Bronze Age holds Early BA Steppe and Neolithic farmer in ratio 2:1 we get the farmer proportion 37% and the steppe 33%. Although Geneplaza gives too high farmer propotion, it gives much more realistic result than some other tests giving 70% Steppe or FamilytreeDna and its 70% WHG.

    Corrected results.
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    Three simple facts about Finns:
    1. Baltic Finnic languages (including Finnish) never came from the Volga basin along with ancestors of present-day Finns.
    2. Finnish I1 (around 30% of all Finns) has Germanic roots from the late Bronze Age or the early Iron Age.
    3. As to the Finnish prehistory we have no evidences about any Iron Age (or later) east-to-west migration, but many unquestionable evidences about west-to-east migrations.

    Väinämöinen - R1a
    Lemminkäinen - I1
    Joukahainen - N

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