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    Quote Originally Posted by NonFingo View Post
    We already know that Basal Eurasian was absent in the Villabruna-Middle Eastern admixture event ~14ky ago. It’s all downhill from there.
    Villabruna is from Italy, not from the Middle East, and there's no direct evidence that it has any recent Middle Eastern ancestry.

    There's also no evidence that Basal Eurasian wasn't present in the Middle East at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    Villabruna is from Italy, not from the Middle East, and there's no direct evidence that it has any recent Middle Eastern ancestry.

    There's also no evidence that Basal Eurasian wasn't present in the Middle East at the time.
    As I said in my previous post, I see no use in discussing this. Let’s agree to disagree.

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    Could there be another as yet undiscovered component not found in modern North Africans or should I say could there be another component consistent with multiple OOA dispersals that's related to the one that North Africans may have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Game Theory View Post
    Could there be another as yet undiscovered component not found in modern North Africans or should I say could there be another component consistent with multiple OOA dispersals that's related to the one that North Africans may have?
    Nothing about north Africans looks like they represent some sort of aboriginal African population that somehow just miraculously and independently evolved to resemble Middle Easterners and Europeans on the genetic level, more than sub-Saharans, so no, there's no undiscovered component in them.

    If there were, if they actually had some sort of ancient genetic component in them, that somehow has been kept intact since or before the original Out of Africa migration, they'd be a very different population today; they'd cluster way differently than they do now.

    What it looks like, is that north Africans are basically an early Caucasoid colony in Egypt and Libya/Tunisia, with some relatively recent sub-Saharan admixture. By "early Caucasoid colony", I simply mean that they migrated to Africa from the Middle East, before their prehistoric Middle Eastern ancestors received various admixture components, such as ANE but also before Middle Easterners (like Iranians) received some Indo-European admixture too. A good example or analogy of that, would be like prehistoric Europan hunter-gatherers, settling in take say, Iceland, before the original Anatolian farmers and also Indo-European tribes expanded to continental Europe, and this would result in this European hunter-gatherer population, not only not having any ANE or PIE admixture, but they would also look quite different from modern Germanics/Slavs.

    This is basically what happened to Egyptians/Libyans/Tunisians, which is why they generally look quite different from take say, the average Lebanese. I mean, there's a huge difference in phenotype between take say, Adel Imam (Egyptian), and Nancy Ajram (Lebanese):

    Adel Imam:


    Nancy Ajram:


    ^^ Adel looks different, maybe because he has significantly more Negroid admixture than Nancy, but definitely because Nancy's ancestors have received some later gene flow after the proto-Egyptians migrated from the Middle East and settled in Egypt. That's not to say Nancy is half Nordic or anything (she probably doesn't even have any significant northern European admixture, which the Lebanese in general don't), but the point is, Egyptians have been quite isolated from additional gene flow from Europe and the Middle East, whereas the Fertile Crescent has experienced additional migrations from elsewhere (I believe mainly from Caucasus and Anatolia) since the Neolithic. The proto-Egyptians probably migrated from the Middle East and settled in Egypt, before the Neolithic revolution.

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    I take it your haven’t seen the latest North African ancient dna with Levantine and Middle Eastern populations showing a North African Affinity?
    The gig is up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    I take it your haven’t seen the latest North African ancient dna with Levantine and Middle Eastern populations showing a North African Affinity?
    The gig is up.
    Are you talking to me or Game Theory? No I haven't seen it. Elaborate please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Are you talking to me or Game Theory? No I haven't seen it. Elaborate please?

    ITs still in preprint.



    Edit: I was speaking to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    I take it your haven’t seen the latest North African ancient dna with Levantine and Middle Eastern populations showing a North African Affinity?
    The gig is up.
    Obviously there's an affinity, but the relevant question is if gene flow came from northern Africa to the Levant or vice versa for that affinity to be there, and even if it did, ultimately at some point, north Africans migrated to north Africa from the Levant, unless you're going to argue that all Europeans too, migrated from northern Africa relatively recently, which is a scenario that requires extreme special pleading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    ITs still in preprint.



    Edit: I was speaking to you.

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