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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager View Post
    It was probably produced by some Levantine craftsman not some unskilled ancient North European.
    The Unetice culture the Nebra Sky Disk belonged to was very genetically Northern European, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWF View Post
    There is a huge problem with the cultures along the Mediterranean Sea basically being appropriated into European 'white' culture when there was no 'white' Europe to speak of. I don't think those people had any regard for north and north western proto-europeans as a part of their society/culture and certainly not superior examples of it. The existence of a proto-indo-european society is just a concept made up from similar linguistic patterns of very different peoples. Nevertheless, white race theorists have traded in this "tail wagging the dog" concept for a good century or so.


    You clearly don't understand linguistics, anthropology and science in general. The Indo-European language family is not some made up hypothetical concept, it's a very real scientific theory backed by solid evidence. The proto-Indo-European language and the tribal society it came from, obviously existed in prehistoric times. If you believe otherwise, it's because you don't know what you're talking about.

    Anyway, European civilization is the result of complex, historical and also prehistoric development and interactions between the Fertile Crescent (Mesopotamia, Levant, Anatolia and Egypt, but not the rest of the Middle East) and the Pontic-Caspian steppe. It began with the advent of farming during the Neolithic Revolution, which started in between Anatolia, northern Mesopotamia and probably also northern Syria, around 10,000 years ago. This set the foundation for population growth and a sedentary lifestyle. Civilization developed later on in the Near East, in Mesopotamia and Egypt (and no, blacks had nothing to do with it), which wasn't entirely a Near Eastern development either, because the wheel was most likely invented by the proto-Indo-Europeans, and the PIEs also domesticated the horse, and this horse-wheel combo was increasingly exported over the centuries to the Near East along with another Indo-European invention (proto-Indo-Iranian to be specific), the chariot (early Middle Eastern civilizations like Sumer and Akkad, weren't that mobile, but by the time of the Neo-Assyrian Empire, horses were used far more commonly). The early Near Eastern civilizations invented writing, which was improved upon with the invention of the alphabet and further innovations by the Greeks with the addition of Greek vowels, which the Romans modified.

    So the major components for European civilization came from the East, specifically or mostly from Mesopotamia and its northern neighbor, the proto-Indo-European homeland in the Pontic-Caspian steppe. With the fall of the Roman Empire, northern Europeans eventually caught on and catched up with many of the ideas, lifestyle, laws and so on, from Rome, which in itself was strongly influenced by Greek civilization, which in turn was mostly influenced by Mesopotamian civilization, and to a much lesser extent by Egyptian civilization (contrary to popular belief, Egyptian civilization wasn't really all that influential).
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    Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
    In fact, they are not even the Europeans in strict sense, meaning European as in bearing the responsibility and understanding of European interests. Poland has always been an subordinate country, on one side sucking German dick, on the other side -- Russian one, some kind of "novice" europeans, who are full of inferiority complexes, hysteria and obsessity neuroses. This is also true for all Baltic countries

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    Quote Originally Posted by voron View Post
    You do realize that no one is responding to this because of how retarded your argument is, not because they have nothing to respond with, right? Artists's renditions of whatever the hell it is - Atlantis? A photo of something that looks like an ant hill and some Mayan pyramids (civilizations thousands of years younger than PIE). Should I start posting pictures from Star Trek and claiming it as European civilization? The level of discussion you are setting is abysmal and the problem is that you are dragging everyone to your level. I think you guys need a different forum for this, something along Ancient Aliens theme.
    To be technically correct though, Mayan society was not a proper civilization, and proto-Indo-European society certainly wasn't a civilization either; these were ancient cultures. There are some minimum requirements for civilization, aside from the basic stuff like agriculture and architecture, two of which are critical, namely:

    1) Documentation (writing script of some sort, and on that note, the Latin alphabet is far superior to the Chinese oracle bone script derived system)

    2) Mobility (vehicles, which in ancient times would be horses/wheels, or at the very least donkeys if horses aren't available, but donkeys, camels etc. are are too slow for serious mobility, in any case the wheel is an important requirement).

    Proto-Indo-European culture did have mobility, but it was an illiterate culture, so it wasn't a civilization. No writing script means no laws, no government (not a serious one anyway, I mean it's not like local tribal chieftains count for much), no math and so on. The Mayans did not have the wheel, but they did have a writing script, although it was quite poorly developed, so they weren't a civilization either.

    Anyway, while proto-Indo-European society wasn't a civilization, it did play an important role in contributing to nearby Near Eastern societies, which made them proper civilizations with the introduction of the wheel, and domesticated horses, and a big chunk of modern European ancestry comes from the Pontic-Caspian steppe, from the proto-Indo-Europeans, and yes, R1a/R1b and Indo-European languages come from here also. There's an interesting book written about this:

    Heaven, Heroes, and Happiness: The Indo-European Roots of Western Ideology:
    https://books.google.com/books/about...sC&redir_esc=y

    So, like I said in my previous post, European civilization is the product of give and take between the Sumerian and Semitic Near East and its northern neighbor, the proto-Indo-European Pontic-Caspian steppe. Egypt really didn't have much influence on Europe, except for some trade between Greece and Egypt, but the ancient Greeks were actually far more influenced by Semitic cultures anyway.

    Later on, European society continued developing and redefining many of the cultural aspects that started around 5,000 years ago in the Fertile Crescent and Pontic-Caspian steppe, with further innovations like the printing press and so on. Of course the introduction of paper, originally from the Chinese through the Arabs, was also a very important point in European history, which greatly advanced European civilization much further (literacy became more widespread and that's mainly why European civilization took such leaps in science), however, the basics for European civilization comes mainly from the northern Middle East and Ukraine/Russia.
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    Quoted for truth:
    Quote Originally Posted by Alaron View Post
    Anatolian Urhemait supporters are mostly butthurt Meds.
    For the lulz:
    Quote Originally Posted by drgs View Post
    Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
    In fact, they are not even the Europeans in strict sense, meaning European as in bearing the responsibility and understanding of European interests. Poland has always been an subordinate country, on one side sucking German dick, on the other side -- Russian one, some kind of "novice" europeans, who are full of inferiority complexes, hysteria and obsessity neuroses. This is also true for all Baltic countries

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