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    Exclamation Red Cross Demands Branches Remove Crucifixes to Be More Secular

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017...ve-crucifixes/

    Volunteers have criticised the Red Cross charity after receiving a communication telling them to remove crucifixes from the walls of their branches as the organisation looks to become more secular.

    The Belgian branches of the international aid organisation received an email from the Provincial Committee of the Red Cross in Liège to remove all crucifixes. André Rouffart, president of the Red Cross in Verviers, said: “We were asked to respect the principles of the Red Cross”, and not to distinguish between race or religious belief 7sur7 reports.

    Mr. Rouffart said there had been pushback from volunteers and other members on the issue but downplayed the issue, saying: “I think it’s a storm in a teacup.”

    Several volunteers spoke to Belgian broadcaster RTL and expressed hostility to the move, with one saying: “Let things remain as they are. We used to say ‘Christmas holidays’, now it’s ‘winter holidays’. The Christmas market in Brussels has become the ‘Winter Pleasures’.”


    “For a certain part of the population — because of the Muslims — the crosses were removed in the Red Cross houses and, more particularly, in that of Verviers,” the volunteer added.

    The Once Respected Red Cross is Enforcing PC Tyranny: Withdraw Support Now http://t.co/4j33qx3OpZ pic.twitter.com/sGIVILL3Q9

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    The order follows the proposed removal of a cross in France which was located above a statue of Saint John Paul II in Ploërmel, Brittany. The move sparked outrage among many and led to the Polish and Hungarian government offering to take the cross.

    “Such measures must be regarded as attempts to do away with the continent’s civilisation and culture,” commented Hungarian foreign minister Péter Szijjártó.

    After France orders cross removal, Hungarians ask: “Is everyone entitled to religious freedom except Christians?”
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    In Ireland, Catholic priest Father Desmond O’Donnell has called on Christians to abandon the word ‘Christmas’ entirely, saying that the commercialisation of the holiday had replaced the original Christian meaning.

    While old Christmas traditions being replaced, others have emerged — including anti-terror barriers wrapped in Christmas wrapping paper and bright red bows in the city of Bochum, Germany, to prevent radical Islamic terror attacks like the Berlin Christmas market massacre of December 2016.
    The Red Cross claims it wants to be secular.
    I think it's wrong to remove the crosses.

    What is your take on this situation?

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    If that's what the owners want to do, then by all means they have the freedom to do it, some may not agree with it, but it's an independent group from gov't after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_garcia49 View Post
    If that's what the owners want to do, then by all means they have the freedom to do it, some may not agree with it, but it's an independent group from gov't after all.
    Ah, your profile says you are an atheist, so removing crosses wouldn't bother you. I know it's not a government agency. It is a Christian agency. I still feel it's wrong for the Red Cross to get rid of crosses/crucifixes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Elizabeth~ View Post
    Ah, your profile says you are an atheist, so removing crosses wouldn't bother you. I know it's not a government agency. It is a Christian agency. I still feel it's wrong for the Red Cross to get rid of crosses/crucifixes.
    Red Cross is a humanitarian agency, it might've had some Christian founders, though it assists those of any faith and the cross is a logo from its origins. In Muslim countries, the Red Cross has a red crescent logo instead of the cross, which disputes the idea of it being a "Christian organization".

    Edit: The original Red Cross logo is an inverted Swiss flag, the country where the organization was founded, so its based in secular origins.
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    The original Red Cross logo was based on the Swiss flag, because it was founded in Geneva, not the crucifix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonRouge View Post
    The original Red Cross logo was based on the Swiss flag, because it was founded in Geneva, not the crucifix.

    I didn't know the logo was based on the Swiss flag. I still see the Red Cross organization as a Christian organization and should keep their crosses in their Belgian branches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Elizabeth~ View Post
    I didn't know the logo was based on the Swiss flag. I still see the Red Cross organization as a Christian organization and should keep their crosses in their Belgian branches.
    They're not a Christian organization, though. More military-related than religious, really. It was started as a neutral organization to help those wounded on the battlefield regardless of what side they fought for.

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