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    So I finally received my full genomes file. I haven't been able to reach Michal. However, the admins at Albanian Bloodlines were able to look over my interpretation file. I am positive for L1029 but do not share any of the downstream SNPs on Yfull. So I am predicted to fall under L1029*. TMRCA seems to be 2000ybp, if I am reading correctly. I may or may not share a SNP with the German or Norwegian sample. I will have to wait until I receive my BAM file monday, to upload to Yfull to see exactly how it splits. I have 26 unique SNPs. Only one of which I share with 2 kits on FullGenomes. Idk their country of origin, but TMCA between us was 2,340 years(common ancestor approximately 340 BC).

    I know L1029 is considered typically Slavic. But the Slavic samples seem to belong more downstream under L1029. If the TMRCA is 2000ypb. How could it have arrived in Albania?

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    Any input from Anyone would be great. Considering most of my posts on this forum have never received any input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    I know L1029 is considered typically Slavic. But the Slavic samples seem to belong more downstream under L1029. If the TMRCA is 2000ypb. How could it have arrived in Albania? [/IMG]
    Well first of all we have to ask ourselves, is R1a in general, common among Albanians, and do Albanians have a specific subclade of R1a-M417 which other Europeans lack? If not, it's likely that M458-L1029 in your case, comes from Slavic migrations to the Balkans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Well first of all we have to ask ourselves, is R1a in general, common among Albanians, and do Albanians have a specific subclade of R1a-M417 which other Europeans lack? If not, it's likely that M458-L1029 in your case, comes from Slavic migrations to the Balkans.
    Actually, there is a Albanian specific clade that was recently discovered. So far only myself and 4 other Albanians belong to this clade. There are 2 other Albanians from a study that belong to it as well(the boattini study). There surnames are not listed so it doesnt help. Theres also other clades of R1a like Z280 growing. Though M458 is the most prevalent so far, with most of it part of my founder clade.

    It is named R1a-L1029>"Dibra Cluster" where now myself and four other Albanians from our project belong to. This haplotype is characterized by DYS389I=12, DYS389II=28, and DYS442=14, whereas the modal for other R1a (M458) is 13, 29, and 13, respectively.

    Also, thanks to the Y-Elite test and testing my Novels on two of my matches on YSEQ, we know that the Albanian R1a-L1029>"Dibra Cluster" currently forms an independent branch downstream of L1029, and is defined by the following 8 SNPs: Y133383, Y133367, Y133354, Y133364, Y133386, Y13380, Y133361, Y133351.

    Our TMRCA with each other seems to be ~1200 ybp. Whereas, TMRCA with other L1029 is 2000-2100ypb. The admin has chosen the first SNP, Y133383, to define this cluster. Thus far, only Albanians are appearing in this cluster. These 8 Novel SNPs are 8 in a series of 16 reliable SNPs out of 26 Novels total. The reason its named "Dibra Cluster" is due to the fact all these Albanians have origin from this area.

    It remains to be seen if any non-Albanians will be discovered belonging to this clade. As this is an Albanian founder effect, older Albanian matches could be pushed back farther and or neighboring Balkanites splitting prior to the formation of the founder effect. At present it is an independent branch under L1029.
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