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    Quote Originally Posted by Semitic Duwa View Post
    You didn't answer the question. A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
    This is what intellectually dishonesty looks like. Here we see Duwa being evasive on central issues by playing conversational games. That’s ok. Whether you want to backtrack, sidetrack or play confused about your earlier claims, it all works for me. I just logged in to see you tapdance, and I’m not disappointed.

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    Off topic about Afram-MENA claims, moved to an older thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    Obviously, the Hadza are inbred and highly drifted, but they also have West Eurasian ancestry, so even though they create their own cluster in ADMIXTURE analyses, this cluster is a composite of African and West Eurasian allele frequencies, so it shows up at low levels in many West Eurasians.

    Not sure why such an expert in African population structure as yourself isn't aware of this fact, which has been known for many years now? See below.

    Instead, you propose that prehistoric West Eurasians from the Near East and Europe have Sub-Saharan admixture, which is something that has never been shown to be plausible in any major study to date.

    So either you know something that everyone else doesn't, or you're a total fucking tool.



    http://www.pnas.org/content/111/7/2632



    http://www.cell.com/cell/abstract/S0092-8674(17)31008-5
    Logic and reality is totally backwards to these pro-pseudoscience black nationalists. In their worldview, Horners are totally pure Negroes, with no west Eurasian admixture, and Berbers and Egyptians have ancient Negro admixture and so on. And as if that wasn't enough, prehistoric Europeans and Near Easterners like Natufians, west European hunter-gatherers, Yamnayans and so on, all have significant Negro admixture.

    They're not interested in facts and reality; they're more concerned about aggrandizing their own ancestry in prehistoric European and Middle Eastern populations. I'm not sure why they don't POV-push this much among east Asians though? Have they claimed Bantu admixture in the Japanese or somehing?
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    So , it looks like IAM did descend from previous Iberomaurisian hunter-gatherers but owed 1\3 to 1\4 of their ancestry to another source , still related to Natufians and Levantine Neolithic, this might correlates with the Capsian phase or Neolithic streaming from Egypt|Levant. Overall , Iberomaurisians are most likely too old for proto-Berber , leaving a spam of time for proto-Semetic and proto-Berber to have seperated 9kya to 7kya. Considering Natufians carried clades stemming for EM123 , we can hypothesis they spoke a language of a common Berber-Semitic clade , if the genetic parentage of EM81 and EM123 is linked to the very same lingistic kinship , this could thoroughly put the break up at an early date. This would also leads to estimate the divergence of Cushiti(earlier ?)c , Egyptian and Chadic. Arguably it could put Omotic at an earlier date , almost reaching that of EM78 Iberomaurisians , some kind of Para-Afrasian language that first emerged in Paeolithic times ?.For Egyptian , I suspect it started off as language spoken by a sedentarized fishermen community in Southern Egypt that spread out and 'ate' much of the original linguistic diversity of the Nile valley ( Naqada ).
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    Why did some people here said some Natufians were E-M78.

    Most, if not all of Natufians were E-M78. The supposed non E-M78 are dubiously classified as CT which in turn much probably were E-M78 again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanun View Post
    Why did some people here said some Natufians were E-M78.

    Most, if not all of Natufians were E-M78. The supposed non E-M78 are dubiously classified as CT which in turn much probably were E-M78 again.
    I though they were all E-Z830?
    You have a source on their M78 status?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    I though they were all E-Z830?
    You have a source on their M78 status?
    Well, yeah. E-Z830. You have right.

    Anyway, my point was that. Most if not all of Natufians were of this lineage. Only two Natufians were left identified as CT which much probably were E-Z830.

    Anyway, what do you think? How did E-V13 end up in Europe? Was it a Natufian spinoff or it came directly from North Africa?

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    I think most Ev13 Europeans share a common ancestor in the Bronze Age. So a powerful Balkan tribe have spread the lineage. Earlier Ev13 was found in Neolithic Croatia , and in Neolithic Spain too. Some quite advanced late Neolithic cultures flourished in Balkan soils that could explain such growth. Now , while Natufians were indeed almost all Ez830 , it is no lofty attitude to think that their ancestors could have carried some EM78 lineages which would have turned into Ev13 , either in Anatolia in-situ , or amongst its European settlements. By that time Ev13 were Not speaking any other language than their G2a , I , T1a,and Rv88(?) counterparts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dohan. View Post
    I think most Ev13 Europeans share a common ancestor in the Bronze Age. So a powerful Balkan tribe have spread the lineage. Earlier Ev13 was found in Neolithic Croatia , and in Neolithic Spain too. Some quite advanced late Neolithic cultures flourished in Balkan soils that could explain such growth. Now , while Natufians were indeed almost all Ez830 , it is no lofty attitude to think that their ancestors could have carried some EM78 lineages which would have turned into Ev13 , either in Anatolia in-situ , or amongst its European settlements. By that time Ev13 were Not speaking any other language than their G2a , I , T1a,and Rv88(?) counterparts.
    pre-V13 was found in North Africans. I think it traveled via the Sinai to the Levant and was carried by Anatolian Farmer groups into Europe.

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