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    'Red army is the strongest.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    'Red army is the strongest.'

    Well, it's better to get beaten just in Afghanistan than to get beaten in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq:

    http://www.newsweek.com/us-lost-war-...taliban-651160

    http://www.newsweek.com/us-losing-so...figures-796466



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    Not to mention that Brits also failed in Afghanistan, THREE f***ing times:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Anglo-Afghan_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Anglo-Afghan_War



    Only ONE soldier survived:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-missions.html

    It was January 13, 1842, and the 30-year-old Scot was all that remained of the British force that had invaded Afghanistan three years earlier.
    https://www.thoughtco.com/britains-d...-kabul-1773762
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    This is basically what happens when you invade a country in which war = life.

    These people do not know any other way of life than constantly being at war.

    They have not experienced peace during the last several centuries (if not more). And these idiots in the White House wanted to force them to be nice to each other (as they always do):



    Russia - unlike the USA - does not have a recent history of supporting genocides around the world:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemalan_genocide

    "(...) The Guatemalan genocide, Mayan genocide, or "Silent Holocaust"[2] refers to the massacre of Maya civilians during the Guatemalan military government's counterinsurgency operations. Massacres, forced disappearances, torture and summary executions of guerrillas and especially civilian collaborators at the hands of US-backed security forces had been widespread since 1965 and was a longstanding policy of the military regime, which US officials were aware of.[3][4] A report from 1984 discussed "the murder of thousands by a military government that maintains its authority by terror."[5] Human Rights Watch has described "extraordinarily cruel" actions by the armed forces, mostly against unarmed civilians.[6] (...)"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    'Red army is the strongest.'




    My great grandmother served in Red Army. She was 17 carrying wounded soldiers from the battle fields. So difficult she was saying. If you read about who saved Jews during WWII you will find it happened in Belarus by ordinary people. It's not discussed in media, but it is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Incorrect. First, one EUROPEAN soldier *made it back to camp.* Almost 200 survived in captivity, and many Indian soldiers survived.

    Second, the UK is considered to have *won* the second war. Which happened 140 years ago, btw. Imagine being so desperate for points-scoring you reference battles that happened not this century, not last century, but the century before that. 'Lol Russia got merkt by the Golden Horde.' Mkay bro.

    I also would call the US invasion of Afghanistan (2001) far more successful than the pathetic Soviet attempt ever was, and far less costly. At one point they actually dominated nearly all of the country! Even today, the govt controls more territory than the Soviets did at their zenith.

    Also, the USSR lost against the Franquistas, and the Russian Army lost the First Chechen War - a war fought in its own territory, against allah akbar irregular, which they outnumbered, by some counts, over 10 to 1. How embarrassing can you get? Surely not more than that. Oh wait:



    Yeah, quiet down, mate, your only tactic is zerg rushing and your military tech is a generation behind the West's. Well done on beating shit-tier nations like Georgia and the FSA, major kudos

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    Massoud would do nothing without US-supplied Stingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugevit View Post
    My great grandmother served in Red Army. She was 17 carrying wounded soldiers from the battle fields. So difficult she was saying. If you read about who saved Jews during WWII you will find it happened in Belarus by ordinary people. It's not discussed in media, but it is true.
    And she is a hero but you will find similar examples of bravery in every army. Even the French Army (in the Foreign Legion only, of course).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    How embarrassing can you get? Surely not more than that. Oh wait:
    Well, you can get more embarassing. Remember that while the Winter War was inconclusive, the Soviet Union eventually won the Continuation War. Brits embarrassed themselves during the Boer Wars probably more than the Soviets during the war against Finland in 1939-1940:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Boer_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War

    Strength:

    British Regulars:
    347,000
    Colonial Forces:
    103,000–153,000
    Black South African Auxillaries:
    100,000[5]

    Boer Commandos:

    Transvaal Boers
    25,000
    Free State Boers
    15,000
    Cape Boers
    Black Boer Auxillaries:
    10,000[5]
    Foreign Volunteers:
    5,400+[6]
    ^^^ And despite such a huge superiority, British military casualties were much higher than Boer.

    This was also pretty embarassing for British forces (although they were just supporting France):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_France

    The second Anglo-Afghan War was no more victorious for Anglos, than war in Finland was for Soviets, in my opinion. At best you can call it inconclusive. BTW, not sure where you got those figures for Soviet casualties in Finland from, but surely not from official Soviet dead count:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War#Soviet_Union

    I'm not saying that official Soviet dead counts are always super reliable, but not less reliable than similar official dead counts published by other nations. And when you estimate your enemy's casualties, you almost always greatly exaggerate. So you can choose not to blindly trust Soviet sources on their own losses, but you should not choose to trust Finnish sources on that either.
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    In the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, Germans reported 17 dead soldiers:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw...ing#Death_toll

    But when you watch for example Hollywood's 2001 movie "Uprising" (a nice movie by the way, just not fully historically accurate), you get an impression that few thousand Germans died. I'm not saying that the German estimate is 100% reliable, but neither is Jewish imagination about how many Germans they killed. And the same applies to Soviets and Finns, or any other two opposing forces in military history.

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    As for Afghanistan, the reason why I mentioned 19th century wars is because Brits have not fought any wars in Afghanistan during the 20th or 21st centuries. Except as part of the NATO coalition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    I also would call the US invasion of Afghanistan (2001) far more successful than the pathetic Soviet attempt ever was, and far less costly. At one point they actually dominated nearly all of the country! Even today, the govt controls more territory than the Soviets did at their zenith.
    But bear in mind that military technology in 2001 was much more advanced than in 1979. This applies to both Americans and Soviets (Soviet military from 1979 should be compared to Vietnam-era American military, not to modern American army), but not really to Afghans, who are not much more advanced now than back in 1979. Also it is important to take into account all other differences between those wars.

    Soviets were facing about 200,000 - 250,000 Mujahideen warriors:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War

    Americans and their allies were facing less than 100,000 enemies:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in...%80%93present)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    Well done on beating shit-tier nations like Georgia and the FSA, major kudos...).
    So, you're saying that Russians would be defeated easily if you British with your NATO allies would choose to attack them. Assuming no nukes were used (brave assumption), would you be ready or even interested in fighting them by yourself? If not, who would you send to to fight for you? Your mommy?

    Or, you could just stop buying Russian gas, if you really believe that Russia is an evil state. It's easy and you don't have to freeze your ass off on some Pskov area swamp.

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