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    Quote Originally Posted by alistair View Post
    that they carry an additional ancestry component sharing with modern East Asian populations, doesn't make East Asians out of them. Iranian Scythian's shared some Nganasan genes too.
    Of course. The question is, who got it from whom. I assume the Nganasan also have some European admixture, as do many other Siberian Uralic speakers.
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    Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
    In fact, they are not even the Europeans in strict sense, meaning European as in bearing the responsibility and understanding of European interests. Poland has always been an subordinate country, on one side sucking German dick, on the other side -- Russian one, some kind of "novice" europeans, who are full of inferiority complexes, hysteria and obsessity neuroses. This is also true for all Baltic countries

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wojewoda View Post
    Maybe Nganasans are some kind of proto-Mongoloid people?

    Sure, Nganasans conquered Asia.

    In many cases f3- and dstat-analyses show your own biases. Every time you make these analyses you should make a series of analyses to prove that your analysis is significant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Of course. The question is, who got it from whom. I assume the Nganasan also have some European admixture, as do many other Siberian Uralic speakers.
    Nganasans are very inbred and inbred populations lose first their minor admixtures due to increasing homozygosity, thus all "pure" populations are inbred, not original dwellers. Look at my blog to see sensible inbreeding statistics. ROH doesn't work correctly, HBD does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Of course. The question is, who got it from whom. I assume the Nganasan also have some European admixture, as do many other Siberian Uralic speakers.
    if any, then very very low. Nganasan are usually regarded by scholars as originally Palaeo-siberian or even Tunguz speakers becoming Samoyed speakers in the course of the history. However once I read that Nganasan language - beside being a Samoyed language - shares some surprising very particular morphological similarity with the Finnic language. Very confusing facts.

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    Never heard about Finnic language, should I? Samoyedic languages belong to the Uralic language branch.
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    Three simple facts about Finns:
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    3. As to the Finnish prehistory we have no evidences about any Iron Age (or later) east-to-west migration, but many unquestionable evidences about west-to-east migrations.

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    EliasAlucard wrote: I remember back in the days, when @Tuohikirje got offended over me saying Finns had ancestry from Siberia And of course, how could we forget, @Põhjamaalane saying before the Indo-Europeans arrived, Uralic was Europe's native language family.
    So Samis are basically more "Finnish" than Finns? Because if it weren't for these "identical Siberian genes", Finns would be a random Baltic people, probably speaking a Balto-Slavic language, or maybe a Germanic language.
    I did? You probably got it all wrong (as usual). I have Skolt Samis close in my 23andMe FF, no surprises there.
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    Saying that Saamis are more Finnish than Finns is basically same as saying that Scots are more English than Englishmen.
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    In earliest chronicle compiled in Kiev Finns were identified as Sum' (m is soft). Likely derived from Suomi (Finland).
    There were other Finnic speaking people mentioned

    Lib' - Livs
    Vod' - Votes living in Ingria
    Ves' - Vepsians
    Yam' - jäämit. Don't who they are.
    Chud' was an umbrella term for many Finnic speaking tribes.
    Probably other

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    Are the words Suomi and Saami etymologically similar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugevit View Post
    Yam' / Yem' - jäämit. Don't who they are.
    I searched a little. It looks like an old east Slavic term for Tavastians. Sum' (Suomi people) was the term for south-western Finns.
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