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    Default How much of the world's genetic diversity did Western Eurasians destroy? And...

    And how much of it would you say was lost? I say around 60-65% of it to be honest. And when I mean Western Eurasians I mean this.


    Seriously, this has been on my mind a lot as of recently. Especially considering I have been randomly researching the indignous people of the Pacific Islands and Siberia. And I wondered what would the genetic diversity of these places be like if they were untouched by European/Western Eurasian contact. And were able to industrial and have a population boom in their specific area.


    In the Pacific/Oceania places like New Zealand, Australia, Hawaii and many others Europeans are 80%+ of the population due to their intrusion.

    In places like North Africa and other places before Islamic invasion what would the genetic/cultural appearance be like before Arab intrusion.

    Then we have Siberia where Russians are actually the majority in MOST places outnumbering the native population due intrusion.

    With the Americas we don't even have to go into that.

    Now with India I am not much familiar with the Aryan invasion but I am aware that Dravidian like people lived more northern in Indian than the now Indo-Aryan group.

    So the question is how much of the world's genetic diversity did Western Eurasians decrease. And in your opinion by how much percent?

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    Your estimates? Especially for the Americas?
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    What about the Bantus?

    They destroyed much of genetic diversity in East Africa and South Africa:





    They pushed the Bambutid and Capoid races near the brink of extinction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    What about the Bantus?

    They destroyed much of genetic diversity in East Africa and South Africa:

    Most of those indignous populations are still around and numerous. Especially Nilotics and Cushite people. More importantly did they didn't butcher the people and have forced assimilation especially through conquest.

    Many Khoisans still speak their language.

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    I believe that there exist at least 9 races of humanity, the following ones:

    1) Capoids - Khoisan, Sandawe, etc., natives of South & South-East Africa
    2) Bambutids - Pygmies, original inhabitants of much of Central Africa
    3) Negroids (Congoids) - mostly Niger–Congo and Nilo-Saharan peoples
    4) Negritoids - Andamanese and other Negrito groups in Asia & Oceania
    5) Veddoids - Ancestral South Indians (represented by ASI admixture)
    6) Australoids - old continent of Sahul (Australia, Tasmania, New Guinea)
    7) Caucasoids = West Eurasians, the ones you talk about in this thread
    8) Mongoloids = East Asians, they also destroyed some diversity
    9) Amerinds = old enough (and mixed with ANE) to be their own race

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    Oh and before anyone mentions the Khoisans supposedly being oppressed/butchered by Bantus(when there is zero evidence for it). Its funny how no one points out European settlers disrupting their land and killing some of them off.

    Both the hunter-gatherer San and the pastoralist Khoi Khoi are estimated to have been living in parts of southern Africa for at least two thousand years. However, with the arrival of European settlers from 1652, and the establishment and growth of colonial settlements over the ensuing two and a half centuries, the Khoisan peoples lost many of their claims to land, land which largely has never been restored to them. Since the Land Restitution Act of 1994 does not make provision for land which communities lost before the assigned cut-off date of 1913, with the proclamation of the ‘Native Land Act’, land restitution in the post-apartheid era has held little benefit for the Khoisan peoples. This is due to the fact that Khoisan communities were dispossessed of most of their land uring the earlier colonial era, especially in the early nineteenth century, and hence the 1913 Native Land Act did not make any mention of Khoisan land confiscation.

    In addition to this, Khoisan communities also underwent a sharp decline in population with the arrival of European settlers, largely due to warfare and diseases such as smallpox which arrived with the colonialists. The Khoisan had no natural immunity to these imported diseases, and were hit hard by epidemics. In 1713, for example, an estimated 90 percent of the Khoisan population is thought to have been wiped out by smallpox. Moreover, the traditional lifestyles and cultures of distinct communities were often altered by intermarriage with different ethnic groups, especially in the Western Cape.
    http://www.sahistory.org.za/article/khoisan-identity

    Since some always want to bring up Bantus disrupting the Southern African genetic diversity.

    Then we have the Herero and Namaqua genocide by German empire.
    http://www.sahistory.org.za/article/khoisan-identity

    Like I said Bantus did not really disrupt the Southern African genetic diversity. Bantus mostly did not come into Khoisan areas(which was mostly the Western Cape), however since they were agriculturist they did push Khoisans off some lands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlessedbyHorus View Post
    Many Khoisans still speak their language.
    Many Amerindians also speak their language today. I found a lot of unmixed (pure-blooded) Amerindians on GEDmatch. I can tell you that a lot of Amerindians who live in reservations in the USA are full-blooded.

    I found some full-blooded South Dakota Sioux on GEDmatch, for example. Cherokees are not full-blooded of course (mainly because so many people claim to be Cherokee), but more eastern tribes often are.

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    DNA Land results of a full-blooded Sioux (parents from Rosebud and Lower Brule reservations):



    No sign of any European admixture whatsoever. In GEDmatch calculators she is also pure.
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    Many White Americans who claim to be partially Native turn out to be 100% White.

    However, actual "certified Indians" are on average 2/3 Native, and often 95-100%.

    I'm talking about people who are enrolled in tribes and have confirmed Native origin.

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    The Khoisan were pushed into the Kalahari Desert by invading Bantus.

    That is their equivalent of Indian reservations.

    BTW, a lot of Khoisan DNA was absorbed by these multiracial people:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Coloureds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Many Amerindians also speak their language today. I found a lot of unmixed (pure-blooded) Amerindians on GEDmatch. I can tell you that a lot of Amerindians who live in reservations in the USA are full-blooded.

    I found some full-blooded South Dakota Sioux on GEDmatch, for example. Cherokees are not full-blooded of course (mainly because so many people claim to be Cherokee), but more eastern tribes often are.

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    DNA Land results of a full-blooded Sioux (parents from Rosebud Reservation and Lower Brule Reservation):

    Many Northern Native American languages are basically endangered.

    Saving Native American languages
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7964016.stm

    ENDANGERED NATIVE AMERICAN LANGUAGES: WHAT IS TO BE DONE, AND WHY?
    https://ncela.ed.gov/files/rcd/BE021...e_American.pdf

    Preserving Native Languages: No Time to Waste
    https://www.acf.hhs.gov/ana/preservi...guages-article

    Its only in Mexico and isolated groups in the Amazon where their languages are heavily preserved. Meanwhile Nilotic, Cushite, Khoisan and Pygmy groups in Eastern and Southern Africa still speak their languages in large numbers.

    As for "full blooded" Ameridians sure you can find some but their population is smaller in their lands compared to before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    What about the Bantus?

    They destroyed much of genetic diversity in East Africa and South Africa:





    They pushed the Bambutid and Capoid races near the brink of extinction.
    Archaeologically there isn't any evidence for the Bantu expansion being violent so how exactly did Bantus destroy genetic diversity in those regions? Competitively even that's limited because the groups the came in contact with were largely pastoralists and hunter gatherers on a continent which isn't particularly densely populated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlessedbyHorus View Post
    Many Northern Native American languages are basically endangered.
    It is true but there are still many areas where Natives are between 8% and 100% of the population:

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ons-of-the-USA

    BTW, you started a thread about DNA and now you talk about languages. That's not the same thing...

    A language may get extinct, but DNA will continue to live on, even if admixed with DNA of other groups.

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