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    Default False equivalence of SJWs and socialism

    It's paradoxical how most political compass tests show me as liberal or generally left-leaning, yet I find those ideologues to be the hardest to get along with. I reject the absurd notions of "white privilege" and "patriarchy", I prefer that Islam stay far away from my country, I oppose multiculturalism and mass immigration of inferiors, just to give a few examples of how conflicting it is. It's common for both sides of the so-called political spectrum to equate SJWism with socialism, whether it's conservatives trying to make an argument against it or obnoxious SJW/ANTIFA/liberal types falsely masquerading as socialists without knowing a thing about it.

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    I am convinced that this is what the establishment wants, to convince the populace that they can have decent wages, infrastructure, healthcare, college tuition, a financial safety net, workers' rights, etc. only on the condition that they accept political correctness, Islam, multikulti, etc. The increasing mass immigration of subhumans and increasing presence of SJWs, exactly the type of characters who give the impression that they were engineered in a lab to be as annoying as possible, only convinces people to vote more "right" to make their nations privatized shitholes run by the rich, for the rich.



    Still, the dichotomy is not that clear-cut. Mass immigration is favored by conservatives, too, as it works heavily in their favor by splitting apart the working class and depressing wages, but this is all somehow swept under the rug and it's only those damn socialist lefties who push immigration. My position remains voting for the left because I see libertarians/capitalists as being more subversive than SJWs.

    What is your opinion on this dichotomy? Is this the case where you live?

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    Well, truth is, SJWs have hijacked socialism, just like they hijacked environmentalism. Socialism and environmentalism back in the early 20th century wasn't associated with Muslim immigrants, or black power movements for that matter. Back then, European socialists were a lot more pro-white, or ethnocentric anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Well, truth is, SJWs have hijacked socialism, just like they hijacked environmentalism. Socialism and environmentalism back in the early 20th century wasn't associated with Muslim immigrants, or black power movements for that matter. Back then, European socialists were a lot more pro-white, or ethnocentric anyway.
    They hijacked socialism only in name, but as that example from reddit shows, their priorities clearly aren't socialist policies. The reason they use the label is because think it makes them sound like a strong reactionary movement against what they perceive to be a long-established, white male dominated power structure. Since labels are so important, they did indeed hijack the credibility of socialism and made it unpalatable to many.

    Similar confusion can arise from the more flexible term of "libertarian", the label which originally applied to anarchist movements opposed to the rigid hierarchy imposed by capitalism, who would be diametrically opposed to what modern libertarians advocate.

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    Last time I tried political compass over a year ago and I got this:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Wintergreen View Post
    They hijacked socialism only in name, but as that example from reddit shows, their priorities clearly aren't socialist policies. The reason they use the label is because think it makes them sound like a strong reactionary movement against what they perceive to be a long-established, white male dominated power structure. Since labels are so important, they did indeed hijack the credibility of socialism and made it unpalatable to many.
    I've been saying for years, that leftists use environmentalism as a credibility point. Of course socialism too, is a credibility point, because they're trying to come off as the good guys, like you know, we care about the weak in society, and we champion the little guy, the poor, against rich tyrants, that sort of stuff. However, their main credibility point is environmentalism, which is the perfect cause for leftists to rally around, as it is, you know, a racially inclusive cause, we're all in this together, that type of rhetoric. Very popular among SJWs. Their ideals basically come from the Matrix trilogy (especially Reloaded), where everyone, mostly non-whites, fight together against the evil white man. Even the oracle in that film says "we're all in this together", lol.

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    Similar confusion can arise from the more flexible term of "libertarian", the label which originally applied to anarchist movements opposed to the rigid hierarchy imposed by capitalism, who would be diametrically opposed to what modern libertarians advocate.
    Libertarianism has a similar function among right-wingers, you know, when they be like, freedom for everybody, you can believe whatever you want and live however you like, we're the good guys. However, libertarians are generally not excited about third world immigration, so they hide behind freedom and low taxes as a polite way of excluding or at least limiting third world immigration.

    That said, it really is environmentalism that leftists use as their key credibility point, of course they also use socialism and every other leftist trick in the book, but their real agenda isn't fighting for the environment; it's simply to keep the borders non-stop open to the third world. And how is that exactly compatible with environmentalism? If all third worlders moved to first world countries, that would put enormous pressure on the environment when all of them are going to live with modern technology and all the pollution it entails.

    If leftists really were pro-environment, they'd be championing industrial hemp.
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    Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
    In fact, they are not even the Europeans in strict sense, meaning European as in bearing the responsibility and understanding of European interests. Poland has always been an subordinate country, on one side sucking German dick, on the other side -- Russian one, some kind of "novice" europeans, who are full of inferiority complexes, hysteria and obsessity neuroses. This is also true for all Baltic countries

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