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    Quote Originally Posted by DracoSentien View Post
    Dude, you can't take a joke can you ? It was harmless teasing.
    Who says I was upset? I was just explaining what I use.

    Quote Originally Posted by DracoSentien View Post
    Anyway, I started using Linux in 1997 and now using Fedora 29 I can say it is quite modern. OpenBSD shows how *nix can remain modern in another direction from Linux. It is good to have diversity.
    Fedora was like the first Linux distro I installed, back in 2004 or maybe 2005, can't remember now. I'll check it out again later.

    Quote Originally Posted by DracoSentien View Post
    I have Windows 10 installed on a computer downstairs. Hacking or coding on Windows or any other non-nix system is like kicking a dead whale down the beach or trying to dance with a full body caste on : pretty much mentally retarded.
    Agreed. I tried out Python recently on Windows and Ubuntu, lol, it sucked ass on Windows.

    Quote Originally Posted by DracoSentien View Post
    Anyway, *nix already won the war against Windows. MacOSX is certified *nix, IOS is partly *nix, Android runs the Linux kernel, cars run the linux kernel, IoT devices run the Linux kernel and most internet servers run either Linux or BSD (netflix runs FreeBSD and google runs Linux). An of course Linux has some share among desktops as well but this isn't really relevant as the desktop is going the way of the dinosaur in favor of phones and tablets. Only people who going to be using things like laptops are professionals and coders like me : a minority. It does not matter that the year of the Linux desktop never came as technology is taking another direction now,
    *nix won on computers that don't matter. Also, all Apple devices are shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by DracoSentien View Post
    I dunno what you mean as modern as both NT and the Linux kernel are monolithic as Tennenbaum's 'modern' idea of a microkernel totally lost out to the idea of macrokernel and plan9 never panned out.
    Plan 9 never panned out because while totally superior to Unix, it didn't offer compelling enough improvements on Unix. That's perhaps why Google still releases shitty operating systems, like Android and Chrome OS; they're "good enough".

    Quote Originally Posted by DracoSentien View Post
    The dumb Indian who know runs Microsoft has allowed for for Linux on Microsoft and of course windows 10 has the powershell which is essentially *nix commands. Linux won the war against Microsoft with the help of BSD :




    https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to...on-windows-10/

    I don't think you really know what you are talking about. You will obviously lose the debate since I work in IT.
    Dude, I have WSL installed on my Windows 10 computers. Like it matters.
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    Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    lol yeah, DuckDuckGo sucks, just look at the name of the product for crying out loud. Sure it's good for privacy, but that's it. There's no question about it that Google has great products. Google is half-assed in the operating systems department though; Android and Chrome OS aren't real, full fledged operating systems. Google has effectively killed Android in recent years, and you can thank iPhonization for that.

    I assume you're not going hardcore open source and releasing stuff on F-Droid?

    Actually, I'm fully capable of using Debian, I installed it a while ago. It's pretty much identical to Ubuntu where it matters, except shittier drivers. Anyway I use Ubuntu MATE, and occasionally Trisquel, when I'm on Linux anyway, which isn't that often nowadays. GNU/Linux is great for software development stuff, due in part to its ease of installing libraries and stuff like that, but it's still not a finished operating system. I mean for crying out loud, GNU/Linux doesn't even support something as basic as timestamp creation date, which isn't defined by default by the UNIX standards, and Linus Torvalds was going to add it once, but then they couldn't make up their minds if it should be called btime or ctime and so on, so he threw it out and hasn't bothered implementing it since. Shit like that is important man.

    So anyway, Linux to me is more of an occasional, educational hobby. As a power user, I demand a serious operating system, and Windows 10 delivers on most of my needs. I'll be migrating to ReactOS later when it's good and ready, and then you *nix faggots can enjoy yourselves with your 1960s design, lol.
    Brohman, before shitting on Fedora et. al. you should try it. If it is good enough for Linus it is good enough us. It is not insane niche like Arch and Slackware. Linus actually said he uses Fedora because he found Debian too hard to install. Thing is if you are going to be a power user on Windows you are going to probably use powershell sometimes. Samething with Fedora you are going to be spending sometime using the shell, more than Ubuntu, but nothing insane like Slackware and Arch.

    The reason for Debian drivers is they are fanatically about OpenSource like OpenBSD. But OpenBSD more takes the angle that closed firmware blobs are a security hazard too (hidden backdoors). You can actually use the drivers you are missing in Debian but you have to edit a file to allow for the non-free repository (you still don't have to pay for it).

    Debian recently just had a release. I tried it before installing Fedora. The Fedora install is nicer more like Ubuntu and easier and the default Debian install did not have my firmware driver for my wireless card so I had to plug in my ethernet to install it. After that I just edited the apt repository list and install my wireless firmware drivers and everything just worked.

    Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning : I can't install debian.

    Also, about the gnome 3 stuff. It is actually snappier now and you don't have to use it on Fedora but it is the default. I know there was the Mate and Cinnamon back lash but you have to realize the reasoning behind it. Gnome 3 is so simple and does not clutter things and stays out of your way so much that it lets developers focus on developing rather than posting on facebook and other useless distractions. Obviously, this can be taken to more extreme levels like OpenBSD's window manager CWM and the GPL'd window manager ratpoison but trust me you don't want to take that route.

    Debian is more for servers anyway and Fedora more for cutting edge software so it would be better for your needs.

    Last but not least apt is not the only game in town now. No more RPM hell as Fedora has the package handler DNF now and it is probably better than apt now but at least it is just as good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Who says I was upset? I was just explaining what I use.

    Fedora was like the first Linux distro I installed, back in 2004 or maybe 2005, can't remember now. I'll check it out again later.
    I tried back in the day it is better now.

    Agreed. I tried out Python recently on Windows and Ubuntu, lol, it sucked ass on Windows.
    It is not just windows pretty much no other operating system is fun to hack on and develop for except *nix how else to explain thousands if not millions of opensource developers committing code for free ? In college I had to code on an IBM mainframe, I can't remember what OS it used, it almost killed my desire to be in IT it sucked so bad. It was Linux that got me into IT to begin with then some black guy, at college, said :"why don't you use FreeBSD to make a porn server to make money, that is what I do."

    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard
    *nix won on computers that don't matter. Also, all Apple devices are shit.
    I wouldn't say they don't matter as in the future like everything is going to be IoT almost everything is going to be connected to the web. You can see the start of this with things like smart TVs and the Amazon echo. In 2050 the internet is going to be like holodecks and virtual reality and the people are going to say to people of the past you did not really use the internet "we have the real internet now". The internet is going to be totally unrecognizable to us if we survive that long. The desktop metaphor is going to be severely outdated and is already starting to be.

    Also, Netflix has millions of customers and serves the most internet traffic on a daily basis. If it goes down I would not say that would not matter. Also, what happens if you are driving and someone hacks your car and crashes it (that already really happened to 1 person on planet earth so far) ? Or if you have your car parked and someone hacks it with a laptop and steals it ? Polish people already do the latter in Germany.

    Also, terrorists can shutdown power grids and open damns if they hack certain parts of the internet.

    Clearly this all matters in a major way.

    Plan 9 never panned out because while totally superior to Unix, it didn't offer compelling enough improvements on Unix. That's perhaps why Google still releases shitty operating systems, like Android and Chrome OS; they're "good enough".
    I think Android has improved since kitkat alot. It pointless to talk about plan9 as I can't even install it on a modern computer and I am not going to buy some ancient thing with maybe some oddball hardware to bring it back from the dead or cross compile or whatever. ChromeOS was meant for netbook but the netbook was a failed ideology and a fad. Google has no incentive to improve ChromeOS as netbooks are failed fad.

    Dude, I have WSL installed on my Windows 10 computers. Like it matters.
    You can use whatever you want I am not Hitler or Stalin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    I've been saying that shit for years. And the regulations must take into account environmental factors too. "Small government" capitalism, is a poison for the biosphere. "Small government" is a euphemism for irresponsible government.

    Yahoo sold out to Verizon last I checked. Yeah I remember Alta Vista, Lycos and other pre-Google search engines, lol.

    It's not really a matter of not trusting Facebook developers; the problem with Facebook is that it's an absolutely evil company. If the devil is real and incarnate, then his name is Mark Zuckerberg.

    Google on the other hand isn't really evil. Google+ was a desperate attempt at curbing Facebook's success, but Google+ only catered to geeks, and that's not the lucrative mainstream; geeks aren't iGnorant iDiots, and you can't really profit as easily on intelligent people in the way you can with dumb mainstream thinkers.

    Now there are issues with Google, like surveillance and so on, but that too can be done with privacy in mind. GTA was spot on in calling Facebook, "Life Invader", lol.

    It's not only that. When the internetz was still young in the 90s, we all used IRC for chatting online, and occasionally ICQ. Then we migrated to MSN Messenger with the arrival of Windows XP in the early 2000s. Facebook began growing in 2005, but still wasn't mainstream due to the college registration restriction. The thing about Facebook is that there was no originality whatsoever behind its business model. We already had Facebook-like Lunarstorm in Sweden, in the late 90s. It was exactly like Facebook, but you didn't have to use your real name, and only teenagers used it. Lunarstorm was also much sillier than Facebook (Facebook is a lot more "adult"), but the concept was the same, except that Lunarstorm wasn't a surveillance system.
    Facebook had no originality as myspace existed first granted it's layout and stuff does not look the same. Actually , IRC existed before WWW by Tim-Berners Lee by one year. It's really not outdated like gopher. Hackers are smart enough to realize this truth. I used it just last week on freenode.net. Nowadays, IRC is used by open source developers, blackhat hackers, white hack hackers, federal agents, and terrorists. If you hacked a bank and and wanted to launder money in south America IRC is good place to start. I also used ICQ and stuff but never felt they outdated IRC just lipstick on a pig. There is about 10 to 12 reasons why IRC is not outdated but that would be a TLDR here.

    Also, I understand your point but my point still stands Zuckerberg is the evil one but not all coders who work for him are as skilled as you think and can unleash some pretty scary algorithms on it connected to the NSA spying false flagging shit.

    My point is, there was absolutely no need for Facebook. Facebook succeeded entirely due to people's big egos. The internetz was so much better when we only used IRC, ICQ, MSN for chatting and simpler online communities like Lunarstorm and online forums for discussions.

    Also Facebook is dangerous. Look at how Facebook caused violence in the Arab world, lol. Pseudo-Arabs began getting internet access and got all jealous and shit for living in poverty without much freedoms, and began rioting and fucking shit up. The so called "Arab spring" was an absolute disaster that would never have happened if Facebook wasn't around. It's a serious problem that Muslims have internet access and computers.
    Yeah, it wasn't just the hacking of the passwords that killed this forum it was facebook et. al.

    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard
    Well that's what you get with all this surveillance stuff. Say what you want about Microsoft, but their operating system isn't really about surveillance, although they have been implementing more such features since Windows 10, but you can uninstall most of that stuff with Spybot Anti-Beacon and similar tools. As I was saying, I'll be going ReactOS later, when it's ready. I installed ReactOS recently in VirtualBox, and it works quite well with Windows XP designed software. Microsoft has been going more and more open source since Satya Nadella became CEO, hell they even bought GitHub, so I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft open source Win32 later on (they've already open sourced Universal Windows Platform, PowerShell, C#, Microsoft is a Linux Foundation member now and so on). If Microsoft open sources Win32 API/ABI, it's bye bye Windows.
    Well Microsoft was the boogie man of the 90s but not so much anymore amongst geeks. But some geeks are cynical and see the Microsoft as trying to use the embrace, extend and extinguish move on Linux now.
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    Also, about that btrace and ctrace thing I entered the command ls -lh , on my computer, and the time stamps where fine.

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    I just realized I was running an older version of Fedora , 29, because I just installed it not long ago. I upgraded to 30 and it is snappier with longer battery life. I think the longer battery life is from the new kernel : 5.0.11

    In other news: Zuckerberg subpoenaed to face Cambridge Anal. probe from Canucks
    Parliament also wants a word with Sheryl Sandberg


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    The Canadian parliament says it plans to subpoena Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg and COO Sheryl Sandberg as part of a probe into Cambridge Analytica's shenanigans.

    The Great White North's Parliament Ethics Committee voted on Tuesday to issue subpoenas for both execs as it looks into how Facebook allowed Cambridge Analytica to collect personal information on 87 million of the social network's users and then, armed with that data, purchase ads specifically designed to target key voting groups and areas in hopes of tipping election outcomes.

    "We have given our chair the mandate to issue a summons to Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg if they choose not to come before the International Grand Committee," MP Charlie Angus told CBC.

    "We think it's important that they show up .… The corporate indifference to domestic law in Canada and other countries by Facebook needs to be questioned."

    The Canuck capital of Ottawa is playing host to the second meeting of an international committee that had been looking into the Cambridge Analytica scandal and measures that governments around the globe could take to protect the personal data of end users.

    The group has for months hoped to bring Zuck in for a grilling, without much success.


    In the first meeting of the international committee, held last Fall in London, England, the Facebook big cheese opted not to attend and instead sent one of his VPs to testify in his place.

    The second meeting is scheduled to take place on May 28, and after that any subpoena for Zuck and Sher would lapse.

    While a subpoena would legally compel Zuckerberg and Sandberg to appear before the committee should they be in Canada, it cannot be enforced outside of the country, meaning the pair will be able to skirt the order so long as they steer clear of America's hat between now and the end of the month.

    Facebook did not respond to a request for comment on the Parliamentary vote.

    This wouldn't be the first time Zuck has faced a grilling from a government committee. In April of last year, the social network tycoon had a highly publicized, if not slightly bizarre, appearance before the US Congress to discuss the fallout from the Cambridge Analytica scandal and the efforts Facebook was making to prevent further abuse of its users' privacy
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/0..._canada_probe/

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