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    They found similar signs of humans in British Columbia

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    I won't claim there were Neanderthals existing in the Americas a great while before Homo sapiens appeared over there. Just sharing some finds that may lead to those supporting the claim of Neanderthal presence in the Americas.
    Do you know if there is data on Neanderthal DNA in Indigenous people of the Americas? Most I share with have European ancestry so it’s hard to tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonRouge View Post
    They found similar signs of humans in British Columbia

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/sci-te...tudy-1.3863896

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    The article you refer to talks about 13,000 years, which are obviously Native Americans. The article the OP posted is about 130,000 year old evidence, which is actually before the current models of OOA. The Canadian footprints does not corroborate the article the OP posted. On the other hand, the article itself is very interesting because it shows that the area of the western coastal islands was ice free, which actually makes the (modified) Beringia hypothesis much more likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaM View Post
    The article you refer to talks about 13,000 years, which are obviously Native Americans. The article the OP posted is about 130,000 year old evidence, which is actually before the current models of OOA. The Canadian footprints does not corroborate the article the OP posted. On the other hand, the article itself is very interesting because it shows that the area of the western coastal islands was ice free, which actually makes the (modified) Beringia hypothesis much more likely.
    Whoops. I assumed it was related and the thread title was a typo. My bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonRouge View Post
    Do you know if there is data on Neanderthal DNA in Indigenous people of the Americas? Most I share with have European ancestry so it’s hard to tell.
    Amerindians have more Neanderthal admixture than Europeans. If anything European ancestry should lower the “Neanderthal” component among NAs, not increase it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonRouge View Post
    They found similar signs of humans in British Columbia

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    Do you know if there is data on Neanderthal DNA in Indigenous people of the Americas? Most I share with have European ancestry so it’s hard to tell.
    There has been studies on it, most of those indigenous have come from Latin America who are pure or close to purity like those from the Amazon who came out with the highest Neanderthal genes

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonRouge View Post
    Do you know if there is data on Neanderthal DNA in Indigenous people of the Americas? Most I share with have European ancestry so it’s hard to tell.
    I posted some charts of the Neanderthal DNA data in my first post of the thread. Amerindians inherit the most Neanderthal admixture out of all other races.
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    I'm pretty sure Amerindians don't have more Neanderthal admixture than 4%. It's highly unlikely, extremely that Neanderthals got to the Americas, and somehow passed on some extra genes to humans there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    I'm pretty sure Amerindians don't have more Neanderthal admixture than 4%. It's highly unlikely, extremely that Neanderthals got to the Americas, and somehow passed on some extra genes to humans there.
    German Dziebel provides an interesting explanation for the Amerindian-Neanderthal “link”:

    http://anthropogenesis.kinshipstudie...d-amerindians/

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    John Hawks writes:

    “Neandertals have strikingly limited genetic variation. They once lived across a range from Spain to Siberia. Yet when we compare sequences across their whole genomes, we find them to be much less different across this geographic range than people living in the same regions today. I think this is one of the most fascinating findings of ancient genomics. It may tell us something about Neandertal populations that we did not begin to suspect without their DNA. But there is one explanation for this fact that I and others pointed out long before DNA evidence: The Neandertal population was surely much, much smaller than Holocene population of Europe. Small population size over a long time can restrict genetic diversity. So maybe the Neandertals preserved little genetic variation simply because there were so few of them.”

    The same thing – word by word – can be said about American Indians. Neandertals are obviously older than African humans, as archaeological dates abundantly testify. Then what makes African populations older than Amerindians if Amerindians show the same pattern of genetic variation – low diversity, same alleles showing up from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego – and low population size, as Neandertals?

    Hawks goes on to quote from the seminal paper by Reich et al. (2003):

    “Using the 56 Mb of autosomal DNA sequences determined from [the Mezmaiskaya specimen], we estimate that the DNA sequence divergence between the Vindija and Mezmaiskaya Neanderthals corresponds to a date of 140,000 +/- 33,000 years ago… This remarkably low divergence—which is about one-third of the closest pair of present-day humans that we analysed—is in agreement with the observation that diversity among Neanderthal mtDNAs is low relative to present-day humans and indicates that the Vindija and Mezmaiskaya Neanderthals descend from a common ancestral population that experienced a drastic bottleneck since separating from the ancestors of the Denisova individual.”

    In modern human origins research, the argument of greater diversity in Africa has been a cornerstone of the out-of-Africa thinking but in reality greater diversity is not an indication of population antiquity, but of long-term population size. Correspondingly, lower diversity of Amerindians has been interpreted as an indication of their recency compared to other continental groups – and this argument walks hand-in-hand with the argument for the antiquity of Africans, but, again, ancient Neandertal DNA has falsified it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    130kya was basically just after Out of Africa.
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    @Boa rd. Those familiar with alternative history know this story and this concept to not be a new one.
    As I understand it there were remains....actual remains found at an Amerindian site that were dated to 150-250 kya (I dont remember the exact range). I would have to remember the book I read it in but I THINK it was Our Occulted History by JIm Marrs. Basically the woman that had her publication scrubbed, findings confiscated and was basically chased out of academia. The chapter of the book deals with the whole "Smithsonian Cover-up" shit. If it was human I would love to see the DNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    Whut?

    @Boa rd. Those familiar with alternative history know this story and this concept to not be a new one.
    As I understand it there were remains....actual remains found at an Amerindian site that were dated to 150-250 kya (I dont remember the exact range). I would have to remember the book I read it in but I THINK it was Our Occulted History by JIm Marrs. Basically the woman that had her publication scrubbed, findings confiscated and was basically chased out of academia. The chapter of the book deals with the whole "Smithsonian Cover-up" shit. If it was human I would love to see the DNA.
    You have to come up with some more info on this. The most common cause of people being persecuted is that they dig illegally on Native American lands. So, that someone is persecuted does not in itself suggests a coverup, you just present it as if it was all part of some conspiracy. A good start would be the name of the woman.

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