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    Default Can haplogroups be correlated to intelligence?

    Has this ever been studied?

    I was wondering if, for example, certain haplogroups had more verbal, or spatial, or mathematical (etc...) intelligence than others.

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    To be completely honest, I don't think so.

    I don't think my Paternal Haplogroup being R1b-U152 and my Maternal Haplogroup being K1b1a has any bearing on my... well, anything really.

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    No. Haplogroups aren't part of the autosomal DNA, so they really have no function of how you are, what you look like and so on. But mtDNA has some weak, minor correlation with your energy levels, life expectency / longevity, diseases and other stuff like that, due to the fact that mtDNA is mitocondria, here's an example:

    Mitochondrial DNA Haplogroups influence AIDS Progression:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2699618/

    But other than that, haplogroups really are irrelevant. Y-DNA haplogroups are only useful for tracking migrations and correlate them with ancestry/autosomal DNA. But they don't code for or correlate with intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen View Post
    Has this ever been studied?

    I was wondering if, for example, certain haplogroups had more verbal, or spatial, or mathematical (etc...) intelligence than others.

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    No- to my knowledge it has never been studied. Therefore one cannot assume the relation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen View Post
    Has this ever been studied?

    I was wondering if, for example, certain haplogroups had more verbal, or spatial, or mathematical (etc...) intelligence than others.

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    Just about anything can correlate with anything else. I expect there would be small correlations, and the only reason those correlations may exist is the haplogroup's correlations with race. Race has a stronger and more direct relationship with the intelligence variable. I don't recommend using haplogroups to explain phenotypes. Phenotypes are among very many genes, and haplotypes touch on only a thin sliver of those genes.

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    I believe it is somewhat, to a point. Ive got the germanic R1B-U106 / r1b1b2a1a1 haplogroup which, according to the eupedia map is concentrated in friesland and "radiates" out from there. And on my 23&me test, it says that i am 35% Broadly northwest european (same spot on maps, in friesland) 23% scandinavian (mothers father) etc etc. Basque, finnish etc. But none of the others were as high as those 35%. My half siblings with the same father as me, but with a swedish mum instead of a basque mum, are 1,95 tall (male) and 1,85 tall (F). And.. they bloody look like frisians. Any haplogroup can deviate from its original race of origin, like f.ex. I /I1 can "become" chinese if that man (lets say a 100% scandinavian I1 man) has kids with a chinese woman, and that kid (son?) also has kids with a chinese girl, then of course, it would be a chinese I1 man. But if you are maybe 80% chinese with the I1 haplogroup, or even 99%, you can over time, breed back down to make your kids kids kids kids become scandinavian again. The genes lie there, way back. So yes, i believe HGs matter, since they show what foundation the person sits on.

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    Haplogroups are not autosomal DNA, so no, because haplogroups don't code for physical traits like intelligence, height, pigmentation and so on. Perhaps mtDNA haplos can somewhat, very vaguely be correlated with intelligence because mtDNA is mitocondria, but that's about it.
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    No, I don't think it has any bearing.

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    Fig. 1. IQ, height and homicide rate in Japan (light blue–gray–bright red).

    A study on the Japanese population (Kura 2013) found that latitudes correlate with height, IQ, and skin color at r = 0.70, 0.44, 0.47. The lower IQ in southern Japanese islands could be attributable to warmer climates with less cognitive demand for more than fifteen hundred years. It is assumed that Jomon people (Y haplogroup C1, C3 & D1) in the north were less intelligent than Yayoi people (Y haplogroup O2b, O3) in the south but the results were quite the opposite. A similar observation can be made on Italy or Europe as a whole. Lynn (2010) reported higher IQs in the northern than southern Italian regions.



    Many people worldwide seem to have an image of Japan as a highly homogeneous nation. However, the Japanese islands were initially populated by the hunter–gatherer Jomon people (Y haplogroup C1, C3 & D1) and experienced a great deal of immigration from the Korean peninsula and mainland China from 2900 to 1500 years ago. These incoming Yayoi people (Y haplogroup O2b from Korea and O3 from China) brought wet-rice agriculture and bronze and iron tools to the islands. Because of these cultural advancements, they had shown much more fecundity and have in number dominated the native Jomon people. There still exists a genetic cline from the Western Yayoi population in the Eastern Jomon population in Japan (Hammer et al., 2006). Haplogroups, C1, C3 and D2 are most common among the Ainu people in the northmost Japan (almost 100%) and in the Okinawans in southmost Japan (about 60%),while the western regions closer to the Korean peninsula are more densely populated by Yayoi descendant haplogroup of O2b and O3 (60–70%).

    Since the continental Northeast Asians (Han Chinese and Korean) have a higher intelligence compared to the rest of the Eurasian population, it would be natural to assume that these Yayoi people were more intelligent. This conjecture is based on the facts: 1. The fossil evidence shows that the Yayoi people were 5–8 cm (2–3 in.) taller than the Jomon; 2. Modern-day Koreans are about 3 cm (1.2 in.) taller than the Japanese; 3. The IQs of Chinese and Korean people have continuously outscored that of Japanese people (estimated to be 106 and 105, respectively). Hence, it is reasonable to expect that the prefectures closer to the continent exhibit higher intelligence than those in the Northeast.

    However, this tendency was not observed and instead there exists a simple intelligence gradient from south to north. This may be due to an almost perfect admixture within the last 1500 year (about more than 60 generations) as far as genes for taller stature and higher intelligence are concerned, as well as the selective pressures of the last 1500 years of civilization, which have been strong enough to reshape the original east–west IQ gradient into the current north–south cline. This conclusion would be in line with the Hawks, Wang, Cochran, Harpending, and Moyzis (2007)idea of ever-accelerating human evolution. They insist that more and more beneficial mutations swept populations, after the advent of agricultural civilizations with metallurgy, letters and complex hierarchical organizations. The Japanese north–south gradient in height and intelligence can be evidence that modern humans have evolved to higher intelligence within the last two millennia.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...949?via%3Dihub
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    ^^ Correlation is one thing (and even then it's a weak correlation), but the important point here is that haplogroups (especially Y-DNA) don't actually code for intelligence, or any other autosomal trait.
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