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    Quote Originally Posted by Semitic Duwa View Post
    Have you read Reich's book? I have, two times in fact, and he makes several statements that are extremely controversial at best.
    Anything of worth as far as African studies in his book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    Anything of worth as far as African studies in his book?
    Not really, in fact he makes some pretty controversial statements with regards to OoA as well.


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    Those Bronze Age samples are just red herrings to distract you from the actual arrivals of populations with Semitic ancestry. Don’t take the bait by focusing on the wrong samples, lol. He is passing off Bronze Age Levantines with no evidence of strong predynastic input, as “Semites“. This way, he can flip it around and say Proto-Semitic speakers and predynastics were more or less identical to the Bronze Age Levantines sampled so far.
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    @Semitic Duwa

    Wonder what the resident Proto-Semite has to say about this. I thought unmixed Egyptians were supposed to be Abusir with less/zero Chl?

    In your view, does this prove you wrong, or is it just a coincidence () that M1 is absent in one of the three subsamples from Abusir, and rare overall?

    And don’t change your signature now, please. I’m looking forward to you looking more and more incompetent as more aDNA is published. Wish there was a way to speed this up. But the extra wait and seeing you with your pants down every day, kinda has its own appeal, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Hades View Post
    That's just another bold assertion.
    Not really. This topic was settled in the early 20th century. You delusional morons have been POV-pushing nonsense with Anatolian urheimat and whatnot.

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    Sure it's the same cognate which then evolved into similar spoken words. Point is domesticated horses is not a requirement for the cognate of 'horse', Duhh. Simple knowledge of horses is all that's required.
    So how do you propose the proto-Anatolians reached Anatolia from the Pontic-Caspian steppe, by walking? With or without the wheel, of course they rode horses down there. You can't argue that the Anatolians speakers didn't come from the PC steppe by one cognate alone, because the Anatolian languages have too many cognates in common with other IE languages, and real cognates, not "similar cognates" or "similar spoken words" (this is you talking out of your ass because you don't understand anything about linguistics). Proto-Anatolian is simply too similar to other IE languages, which means it also came from the Pontic-Caspian steppe. Obviously proto-Anatolian was the first split, which is reflected in how it's more archaic than the other IE branches, but if the original PIE urheimat was in Anatolia, and then a PIE branch migrated to the Pontic-Caspian steppe and spawned all the other branches, Anatolian languages would look far different from the other IE branches.

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    Sociology is considered a science but it's too soft for me to consider a brute fact. Linguistic paleontology is a laughably soft and obscure science. The confidence we can have in it compared to hard sciences is very large.
    It's more scientific than you think. Obviously linguistics isn't as hard as astrophysics, but in any case, a linguistic urheimat is determined by the linguistic evidence, not Dienekes' and your genetic components autism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Hades View Post
    How is it close culturally? Aside from Armenia, The languages of most the Caucuses are completely different than the IE languages of Southern Europe, the Afro-Asiatic languages of the Levant and North Africa. Genetically Greeks are closer to people of the Caucasus than to Berbers but genetically Greeks are also closer to Englishmen than to Berbers so genetics doesn't work here. Plus there's no reason for Greeks to be considered the prototype "Mediterraneans".
    Well for your information, Iraqis are Mediterraneans, so said Nordicist Madison Grant :



    The point is we can't determine who is and isn't Mediterranean based on your racial inferiority complex.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Hades View Post
    Asserting as fact a favored hypothesis in linguistic paleontology is a joke. Secondly you don't seem to know what the word 'agnostic' nor 'championing' means. Perhaps Reich champions the Caucuses homeland but I don't...I merely consider it, not champion it. Do you understand the difference?
    I understand the difference and I know far better than you anything you think you know (including the definitions of agnostic and championing). Look, there's nothing to consider here. The Kurgan theory is a scientific fact, not a hypothesis, and all the other bullshit hypotheses have no case, because they don't click with the linguistic evidence. It's that simple. If you don't understand that, well, you can go on and on about irrelevant genetic components.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Hades View Post
    I didn't say the Kurgan hypothesis was dependent upon this...your scenario is plausible. But if we get Hittite Elite genomes and even they don't any steppe admixture a very bizarre scenario will have had to have taken place.
    It's expected that the Hittites won't have had much steppe admixture, because the proto-Anatolians wasn't a huge group that settled in Anatolia. If they didn't have any wheels, that means they were a small group of horse riders who reached Anatolia, small but big enough to influence the locals with a language shift and some other cultural influences like minor aspects of proto-Indo-European religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Hades View Post
    Yeah, I the man who genetically clusters in Switzerland and around populations of the modern Alps region has an inferiority complex to the guy who clusters in modern Syria and TUrkey. Riiigghhhttt
    ^^ Exactly. I rest my case. This is probably the most important argument as to why you suffer from a huge racial inferiority complex; oh I'm so secure and self-confident because I cluster among Swiss people!!!!! What self-confident man in his right mind talks like this? My self-esteem comes from my genetic position among the Swiss, that makes me almost Germanic, which means I'm almost human! What a fucking faggot. A real insecure faggot.

    Dude, you're a textbook OWD case

    And by the way, if we ever met in the ring in an MMA fight or something like that, I'd fuck you up fo' real. After that, you'd really feel inferior What next, are you going to brag about how tall you are and therefore self-confident? By your own insecure rationale, anyone who's 1 cm taller than you, and clusters slightly closer to Germans and Scandinavians than you do, must be more secure than you are.

    Just admit it, you're a faggot. You've obviously never had any real self-confidence to begin with. And by the way, mixed people are more often insecure and suffer from identity crises and so on

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager View Post
    Obviously many on this site think they know more than a real scientist such as Reich.
    Obviously, many here do. You do understand that a lot of scientists don't know what they're talking about, right? Besides, Reich's expertise isn't linguistics. This is a typical flaw among many scientists, that just because their expertise is in let's say, astrophysics, they think that makes them authorities on every other field, take say, biology. Hugh Ross, an astrophysicist and creationist, really know what he's talking about when it comes to the Big Bang and astronomy in general, but you know what? He denies evolution:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_R...strophysicist)

    Just because he knows what he's talking about in astrophysics, doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about in evolutionary theory. David Reich is a similar case, except that he isn't religious, but he really doesn't understand linguistics if he's championing anything other than the Kurgan theory.
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    So how do you propose the proto-Anatolians reached Anatolia from the Pontic-Caspian steppe, by walking? With or without the wheel, of course they rode horses down there. You can't argue that the Anatolians speakers didn't come from the PC steppe by one cognate alone, because the Anatolian languages have too many cognates in common with other IE languages, and real cognates, not "similar cognates" or "similar spoken words" (this is you talking out of your ass because you don't understand anything about linguistics). Proto-Anatolian is simply too similar to other IE languages, which means it also came from the Pontic-Caspian steppe. Obviously proto-Anatolian was the first split, which is reflected in how it's more archaic than the other IE branches, but if the original PIE urheimat was in Anatolia, and then a PIE branch migrated to the Pontic-Caspian steppe and spawned all the other branches, Anatolian languages would look far different from the other IE branches.
    I'm saying the word horse right now..does that mean I've domesticated horses or own domesticated horses.?A common origin for that word doesn't necessarily imply domestication. You've been debunked on this brah. Sorry but it just doesn't logically follow as a necessity. Possibility sure..Necessarily? No.

    Reich thinks PIE came from the South Caucasus...so if this were true they'd literally just have to walk to Asia Minor a few Hundred miles over a few hundred years and have a word for horse. Not a difficult task.



    Well for your information, Iraqis are Mediterraneans, so said Nordicist Madison Grant
    Well they have a huge Natufian component (and Natufians evolved around The East and South Mediterranean), and they also have some Neolithic Anatolian..(whom evolved around the shores of the North Mediterranean)..but they also have other components too like Iran Neolithic, sub Saharan African...even some very minor ANE..so they are not defacto Mediterraneans by any means. They do have some significant ancestry though sure.



    The point is we can't determine who is and isn't Mediterranean based on your racial inferiority complex.
    We determine it by who has ancestry that evolved for long periods around the Mediterranean. How else should it be determined. Sorry but CHG or Neolithic Iranian is not Mediterranean, it evolved in isolation around the Zagros mountain range and the Caucasus. It entee


    understand the difference and I know far better than you anything you think you know (including the definitions of agnostic and championing). Look, there's nothing to consider here. The Kurgan theory is a scientific fact, not a hypothesis, and all the other bullshit hypotheses have no case, because they don't click with the linguistic evidence. It's that simple. If you don't understand that, well, you can go on and on about irrelevant genetic components.
    Well I'm comfortable with my uncertainty. JP Mallory who has been studying the question for decades is too. So I think I'm in good company. We don't need Mr. Elias to dogmatically assert what we are supposed to believe. Thanks though.




    ^ Exactly. I rest my case. This is probably the most important argument as to why you suffer from a huge racial inferiority complex; oh I'm so secure and self-confident because I cluster among Swiss people!!!!![/i] What self-confident man in his right mind talks like this? My self-esteem comes from my genetic position among the Swiss, that makes me almost Germanic, which means I'm almost human! What a fucking faggot. A real insecure faggot.
    Well hell yeah I think it's better to be genetically like the Swiss than Turko-Syrian or whatever you are and cluster. Sue me. I believe our President Mr Trump had a word or 2 to describe countries filled with people only like you in it. Shit Holes. Of course you know that too which is why u live in Sweden.


    And by the way, if we ever met in the ring in an MMA fight or something like that, I'd fuck you up fo' real. After that, you'd really feel inferior What next, are you going to brag about how tall you are and therefore self-confident? By your own insecure rationale, anyone who's 1 cm taller than you, and clusters slightly closer to Germans and Scandinavians than you do, must be more secure than you are.

    Just admit it, you're a faggot. You've obviously never had any real self-confidence to begin with. And by the way, mixed people are more often insecure and suffer from identity crises and so on
    Uhh Ohh we have a keyboard warrior here..a 5 foot 7 inch Keyboard Warrior at that. I better be afraid. Talk about complexes. We know you're a big tough guy Elias.0
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