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    Okay so the FULL Moroccan Neolithic paper has finally came OUT... And its not looking good for us on the "Afrocentric side."


    www.pnas.org/content/early/2018/06/11/1800851115

    https://indo-european.eu/2018/06/anc...o-the-maghreb/

    Ancient genomes from North Africa evidence prehistoric migrations to the Maghreb from both the Levant and Europe

    The extent to which prehistoric migrations of farmers influenced the genetic pool of western North Africans remains unclear. Archaeological evidence suggests that the Neolithization process may have happened through the adoption of innovations by local Epipaleolithic communities or by demic diffusion from the Eastern Mediterranean shores or Iberia. Here, we present an analysis of individuals’ genome sequences from Early and Late Neolithic sites in Morocco and from Early Neolithic individuals from southern Iberia. We show that Early Neolithic Moroccans (∼5,000 BCE) are similar to Later Stone Age individuals from the same region and possess an endemic element retained in present-day Maghrebi populations, confirming a long-term genetic continuity in the region. This scenario is consistent with Early Neolithic traditions in North Africa deriving from Epipaleolithic communities that adopted certain agricultural techniques from neighboring populations. Among Eurasian ancient populations, Early Neolithic Moroccans are distantly related to Levantine Natufian hunter-gatherers (∼9,000 BCE) and Pre-Pottery Neolithic farmers (∼6,500 BCE). Late Neolithic (∼3,000 BCE) Moroccans, in contrast, share an Iberian component, supporting theories of trans-Gibraltar gene flow and indicating that Neolithization of North Africa involved both the movement of ideas and people. Lastly, the southern Iberian Early Neolithic samples share the same genetic composition as the Cardial Mediterranean Neolithic culture that reached Iberia ∼5,500 BCE. The cultural and genetic similarities between Iberian and North African Neolithic traditions further reinforce the model of an Iberian migration into the Maghreb.
    It seems we have MORE Eurasian migrations in North Africa than SSA. From what I am getting is that Neolithic North Africa was more similar to Iberia which puts a damper into those who believe that North Africa was a SSA genetic reality. I guess this is bad news for us on Team Afro. But it is what it is... I just wanted to report as I like posting new material.


    HOWEVER... I am having one issue with this study. Something that JUST DOESN'T stack up.



    ^^Are yall seeing what I am seeing? Why is the yellow component peaking in the Taforalt and IAM? This doesn't make any sense and I'm confused. I'm pretty sure the IAM population replaced the Taforalt but more importantly why do THESE two populations have more of this yellow component than those outside of North Africa? Again I am confused.

    I need some help... @NonFingo @Semitic Duwa @beyoku @EliasAlucard
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    Anyone? We know they WERE NOT Sub Saharan Africans. And so I and others who share my views take our L there. But again what the hell is the yellow component???

    Like what the flippity f*ck is going on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlessedbyHorus View Post
    Anyone? We know they WERE NOT Sub Saharan Africans. And so I and others who share my views take our L there. But again what the hell is the yellow component???

    Like what the flippity f*ck is going on?
    It may have some significant SSA affinities, but that yellow component is definitely not SSA centered. It seems like a maximized "Res Sea" component, but FAR from actual Red Sea.
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    • 59.05% West-African
    • 8.36% Central-African_HG
    • 3.32% East-African_HG
    • 2.22% Nilotic
    • 2.11% Omotic(?)
    • 1.78% Sahelian
    • 1.05% South-African_HG
    • 1.03% Kushitic(?)

    11.84% West Eurasian
    • 3.79% North-Sea_Germanic
    • 2.15% East-Euro
    • 1.39% Scando-Germanic
    • 1.26% Paleo-Balkan
    • 0.88% Central-Med
    • 0.54% NW-Indian(?)
    • 0.42% East-Iberian
    • 0.39% Baltic
    • 0.14% West-Med
    • 0.17% North-Iberian
    • 0.02% East-Med

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    • 2.14% Amazonian
    • 2.01% Andean
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgbk87 View Post
    It may have some significant SSA affinities, but that yellow component is definitely not SSA centered.
    Then what IS it???

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    Afrocentrist were debunked with this study. Nordicists were debunked with Mycenean Greece and Iron age Bulgaria , European pro-continuists with Mesolithic R1b were debunked , Indian nationalists? Debunked. Middle Easteners who claimed the Afro Asiatic urheimat in northern Middle East and E1b1b are AfroAsiatized Africans were debunked. You aint alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dohan. View Post
    Afrocentrist were debunked. Nordicist were debunked with Mycenean Greece and Iron age Bulgaria , European continuist with Mesolithic R1b were debunked , Indian nationalists? Debunked. Middle Easteners who claime the Afro Asiatic urheimat in northern Middle East and E1b1b are AfroAsiatized Africans were debunked. You aint alone.
    Tell me about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dohan. View Post
    Afrocentrist were debunked with this study. Nordicists were debunked with Mycenean Greece and Iron age Bulgaria , European pro-continuists with Mesolithic R1b were debunked , Indian nationalists? Debunked. Middle Easteners who claimed the Afro Asiatic urheimat in northern Middle East and E1b1b are AfroAsiatized Africans were debunked. You aint alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlessedbyHorus View Post
    Okay so the FULL Moroccan Neolithic paper has finally came OUT... And its not looking good for us on the "Afrocentric side."


    www.pnas.org/content/early/2018/06/11/1800851115

    https://indo-european.eu/2018/06/anc...o-the-maghreb/

    Ancient genomes from North Africa evidence prehistoric migrations to the Maghreb from both the Levant and Europe

    It seems we have MORE Eurasian migrations in North Africa than SSA. From what I am getting is that Neolithic North Africa was more similar to Iberia which puts a damper into those who believe that North Africa was a SSA genetic reality. I guess this is bad news for us on Team Afro. But it is what it is... I just wanted to report as I like posting new material.


    HOWEVER... I am having one issue with this study. Something that JUST DOESN'T stack up.



    ^^Are yall seeing what I am seeing? Why is the yellow component peaking in the Taforalt and IAM? This doesn't make any sense and I'm confused. I'm pretty sure the IAM population replaced the Taforalt but more importantly why do THESE two populations have more of this yellow component than those outside of North Africa? Again I am confused.

    I need some help... @NonFingo @Semitic Duwa @beyoku @EliasAlucard
    Try reading the full study. The Paleolithic and early Neolithic samples (i.e. Taforalt and IAM) were shown to be unrelated to European samples of a similar antiquity, but descend from populations related to Natufians and West Africans/Hadze. The late Neolithic samples descend from these early North Africans and a population that most definitely crossed over from Iberia. These results and those of the Gaunches proves that a majority of the African present in modern North Africans is ancient and was introduced long before the Arab slave trade. IMHO.

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    The yellow component is representative or M1 and U6 that migrated from Eurasia 50 thousand years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    The yellow component is representative or M1 and U6 that migrated from Eurasia 50 thousand years ago.
    hmmmmmm...

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