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    Quote Originally Posted by ageladakos View Post
    the areas of the byzantine empire have allways being "greek" not that other populations did not exist, infact konstantinople was the equivalent of new york today, but the greek element was allways dominant. and this is also proved by the fact that untill 1910 (600 years after original turkish presence in minor asia) according to statistic of the ottoman statistic service greeks were 3 milion out of a population of 10 milion (with another 2 million armenians and rest "turks" aka muslims).
    So why is it a problem when the non-Greek, non-Turkish locals are referred to as Turkish but not when they are referred to as Greek? You're contradicting yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyte View Post
    So why is it a problem when the non-Greek, non-Turkish locals are referred to as Turkish but not when they are referred to as Greek? You're contradicting yourself.
    well in theory ancient greeks were not ancient greeks as well, simply because there were native populations living in greece at the time greeks came.
    germans shouldnt be called germans because germany was created by the prussians that were germanised baltic people.
    england should be something else and so on.

    ethnicity doesn't isnt only about the bloodline. its a mental thing, in general its the things that connect you with the others that look like you (not only in the apearance).
    minor asia has been colonised by the greeks and then the populations became greek themselves, yes there weren't of entirely the same "material" but still i would expect in the corse of thoose 2000 years to have a really more homogenus population, and plus their genetic diferances would be barely noticable on their characteristics.

    now about how we should call them. infact the poppulation of minor asia that you concider as not greek identified themselves as greeks for 2500 years and the percentage was really high (untill the population exchange and the reforms of kemal) dispite the 600 years of assimilation and enforsment of the turkish language.
    but the identifications have no connection with the real stuff everyone is made of, for example the word turk during the ottoman era was used for every muslim in the empire, greek speaking muslim populations identified as turks even if they couldnt even speak the tukish language and for sure they were of greek bloodline

    now the question that you make has to do more about the mistakes of your national concience and your need to belong somewhere than the real nature of stuff.
    for example hehmed was actualy 3/4 "greek" and he was culturaly allmost a persian, kemal was for sure half slavic (some claim other half was albanian) and most of the sultans of the ottoman empire had foreign mothers, many greeks on the other hand were of albanian bloodline.
    now if you speak about bloodlines, i will remind you that infact during the greek revolution, christian albanians killed muslim albanians, muslim greeks killed christian greeks, and the "turks" of minor asia slaughtered the "greeks" of minor asia. does it make a sence in bloodline context? not at all.

    what i would advice you to do is to concentrate on the reforms kemal made to see how many diferent things became one and to understand that dispite the "trend" to connect ethnicities with "populations" the historical truth can not be altered. i have no problem to accept that a portion of modern greek population spoke albanian and had a diferent "ethnicity" 600 years ago and you shouldn't have a problem knowing that a big portion of "natives" had a greek concience for a really long time
    but ofc its hard when propaganda is teaching you that greeks are enemies (just like greek propaganda teaches about turks), its hard when most of the people in the whole world have just medium inteligence, and its hard when there are so many interests both local and international that prefer people to hate each other so they can mess around easily and make profits

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    Probably like what the modern people living in the areas the Eastern Roman Empire covered.

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    i can see many typical turkic turks . Implying they are eastern turks makes no sense. Turkic turks from east moved to west of the country after greeks were forced out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EL GRECO View Post
    i can see many typical turkic turks . Implying they are eastern turks makes no sense. Turkic turks from east moved to west of the country after greeks were forced out.
    What do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IstenmeyenTuy View Post
    What do you mean?
    Don't u know Gaymal ordered the relocation of ethnic turks from eastern anatolia to Ionia to cover the vast emptyness? So when we see a photo of turkish flok demonstrating can we say it's eastern turkish? It's not safe conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EL GRECO View Post
    Don't u know Gaymal ordered the relocation of ethnic turks from eastern anatolia to Ionia to cover the vast emptyness? So when we see a photo of turkish flok demonstrating can we say it's eastern turkish? It's not safe conclusion.
    You mean Kemal. Have respect. Yes we can say which part they come from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IstenmeyenTuy View Post
    You mean Kemal. Have respect. Yes we can say which part they come from.
    i don't owe respect to him. He forced out 1.5 million Greeks of Ionia, 500.000 Pontic Greeks and hundreds of thousands lost their life. He is a world criminal.

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