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    Default Should Eastern Indonesia(Wallacea) even been considered Southeast Asia?

    So everyone knows what "Asians" look like and what they stereopically consist of culturally:Buddhism,Confucianism,and Hinduism or all three in Southeast Asia.And of course,Mongoloid physical features and eating and farming rice.Then all these features coincide with Geography and tectonic plates and certain fauna and flora.Also,Sino Tibetan and Austro Asiatic languages along with the Asiatic Austronesian languages.

    First,when I say East Indonesia I will exclude West Papua and Sulawesi,and be talking specifically about Nusa Tengarra(Timor,Sumba,Flores,Sumbawa,etc) and the Maluku Islands.All these inbetween Sulawesi and Papua,south of the Phillipines.Now on more than half of these account,Eastern Indonesia fails at.Eastern Indonesian islands are not only VERY heavily admixed or even mostly Papuan in ancestry like certain Timorese and Moluccans from Seram or Kei or the most isolated and mountainous jungle tribes,but quite a few languages in East Indo are not even Austronesian but belong to or are related to Papuan languages.Up next is the fact that Wallacea has never even been part of the Asian mainland nor Asian tectonic plates,which gives Wallacea extremely unique fauna such as Komodo Dragons,Birds of Paradise species,and Marsupial species.Yes,you heard that right.East Indonesia,such as the island of Seram,the biggest and most isolated Moluccan island,has FUCKING KANGAROO species.The isolated tribesman there such as the Masuane and Nuaulu even hunt eat them.And this comes to another point,religion.Wallacea is the only majority protestant region in Southeast Asia,with a minorit6 of Catholics and Islam.Wallacea never really had any influence at all from East Asian philosophy such as Confucianism and Buddhism,and had even neligible influence from Hinduism unlike West Indonesia.Physical appearance,East Indos and Timorese seldom resemble any East Asian Mongoloids as well.And my last point is East Indos just dont "seem" very stereotypically Asian.In general and from even my own family and anecdotal exp.,Moluccans are very warm,extroverted,religious,family oriented,passionate,musical and creatively inclined,and also temperamental compared to any other East Asians.Just look at the history of the Dutch Moluccans RMS independence movement and protest and terrorism and riot history.And speaking of family,Moluccans have gigantuc families,average family size being 4-8 kids.Lastly,Moluccans and most East Indos DONT use rice as a staple food but instead use sago,taro,cassava,and breadfruit as mainstays witn rice more an afterthought just like the South Pacific.So what is yalls thoughts?Anecdotal experience is welcome.

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    The Indonesian government is trying to ''Indonesianize'' the Eastern part of Indonesia. For several decades now. So there's alot of overlap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ether View Post
    The Indonesian government is trying to ''Indonesianize'' the Eastern part of Indonesia. For several decades now. So there's alot of overlap.
    Ahh,agreed.But you are implying that its done on purpose?And btw,every Moluccan whos been DNA tested still show up with heavily dominant Oceanian and Papuan admixture,so after all theae years and the Spice trade and Colonialism...

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    Quote Originally Posted by upyours View Post
    Ahh,agreed.But you are implying that its done on purpose?And btw,every Moluccan whos been DNA tested still show up with heavily dominant Oceanian and Papuan admixture,so after all theae years and the Spice trade and Colonialism...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmigration_program

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    Yes we all know about that,but its also known that Java is a small and extremely overcrowded island.So who can say if its actually done with the intent in mind to wipe away the Melanesian blood and heritage of Eastern Indonesia?And with East Timor now independent,I wonder if that will at least safeguard at least that small amount of Wallaceas unique heritage..

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    Also technically speaking and especially in the case of West Papua,if Indonesian government really is using the transmigration program to Indoize the East,doesnt that constitute genocide,albeit a subtler form?

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    Quote Originally Posted by upyours View Post
    Also technically speaking and especially in the case of West Papua,if Indonesian government really is using the transmigration program to Indoize the East,doesnt that constitute genocide,albeit a subtler form?
    I think it is mostly from a statist / economic / nationalist perspective rather than a racial one. Basically make Indonesia one rather than West Papua less Melanesian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ether View Post
    I think it is mostly from a statist / economic / nationalist perspective rather than a racial one. Basically make Indonesia one rather than West Papua less Melanesian.
    Doesnt that still end up in what technically could constitute genocide?The means dont justify the ends.I actually would say Eastern Indonesia is going the same way as Hawaii and Guam,but the Melanesian version.

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    Just for contrast,look at Jackie Chan in East Timor:







    Are they really the same "race"?Thats eye opening to see a Mongoloid man stick out so much in what is supposedly also a "Southeast Asian" country (East Timor).

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    Masaman,the Youtube Anthropoligist finally actually included Eastern "Indonesia" in Oceania where it rightly belongs!




    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MpyFr_-n050

    https://www.transitionsabroad.com/li...-wallace.shtml

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