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    The Elamo-Dravidian languages is a purely hypothetical language family though, and not really accepted by most linguists. It's a bit far-fetched to use it for a genetic theory around Harappan origins.
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    Does the paper state that the Harappans had South Asian Hunter Gatherer DNA? What unites Harappans with South Indians is that both are devoid of Steppe DNA, which exists among North Indians. However, the genetic component responsible for dark skin is SAHG ancestry. Lacking SAHG ancestry but having Iranian Neolithic ancestry would possibly make them closer to South Indians than to North Indians, but if they lack SAHG ancestry, then they'd be closer to West Asians than to both South Indians and North Indians.

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    we wuz aryans n shiet
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    nothing new - nothing surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthcentric View Post
    You don't get it, do you? The scenario here is one where dark-skinned, tropically adapted people build an advanced urban civilization that gets torn down and conquered by lighter-skinned, more cold-adapted tribespeople. Sound familiar?

    Because it's a perfect inversion of how HBD scum view the world. Last time I checked, the alt-right's narrative was that darker-skinned people from the warmer parts of the world (e.g. Africans, Australasians, and to a lesser extent Middle Easterners and Mesoamericans) had naturally lower IQs and were therefore a threat to the superior civilizations of lighter-skinned northerners (e.g. Europeans and Northeast Asians). If this racist worldview were the least bit correct, it would have been the Aryans building their glorious civilization way up in Central Eurasia before being swamped and destroyed by the savage black aborigines of the Indian subcontinent.

    A.) I think you're underestimating the (Aryans) of the Andronovo horizon.

    B.) Why not check out the population densities?
    I'd imagine Mediterranean regions, South-Asian regions, and pre-Yamnaya Europe had larger populations than the Steppes.
    In fact, it's still totally true, the Steppes have far smaller population densities to this day vs India, or Egypt, or China, or Western Europe.

    C.) More people means more manpower, and more potential for a genius to be born.
    I wouldn't be surprised if the Steppes had something like 100,000 people 2 - 4,000 years ago, while the Mediterranean region, India, Western Europe, and China probably each presumably had multiple millions.

    D.) How were people in the Steppes supposed to cultivate crops, which didn't exist there, in the first place?
    We know wild barley, and wild wheat at that time at least, were only native to the Near-East.

    E.) We're also looking at today, and countries by Whites are doing much better than countries by non-Whites, on the whole. Big exceptions maybe Japan, South-Korea, and maybe a few others.

    But, truth be told 100%, a country like Ireland could be oppressed for eons, and bounce back, I mean compare Guatemala, or Mexico, or almost any Latino country, all which had their independence during the Irish potato famine genocide, where British landowners stole Irish resources from them, allowing them to starve.

    While, it's true that Ireland took a bit to bounce back, it sure did.

    Similar holds true for Finland.

    We can now even see similar with Poland, Estonia, Slovakia, and a bunch of other Ex-Communist countries.

    Poland for example in 1990 was twice as poor as Mexico, and similar held true in Poland vs Jamaica, and Turkey, and rightfully so, having had Communism stomp out companies, and worldwide trade, and even incentive to work hard.
    Also Poland had been plundered by Nazi Germany, who left them devastated, before that Poland didn't exist, and not long before that was oppressed by German speakers, and Russians who eliminated, or limited Polish education, Polish landownership, Polish ability to get into politics, etc.

    Now, Poland today is not only wealthier than Mexico, Jamaica, and Turkey by a quite large margin.

    Poland's even now richer than Greece.

    Now, why is that?

    By Liberal arguments, Poland was oppressed far longer, and stronger than say Turkey which was never colonized, in fact Turks were colonizers, why did they end up having a so-so modest income country?
    Much less some African countries which make Turkey look wealthy, like say Ethiopia, or Liberia two countries never officially colonized, or say Mexico, or Guatemala not colonized since the 1820's.

    The fact is Poland went through crap not until the 1820's like Mexico, or Guatemala, but Poland went through a ton of nonsense until 1989.

    Now, Estonia was colonized by Soviets even more so, there was no Estonia, until after 1992.

    Estonia has also bounced back, so much so now it's the #1 leader in European educational PISA scores.

    So, this nonsense needs to end, while there maybe some environmental impacts, some Whites who've had it a lot worse, are doing a heck of a lot better than many non-Whites who've had it a lot easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truthcentric View Post
    4500-year-old DNA from Rakhigarhi reveals evidence that will unsettle Hindutva nationalists



    Long story short, the four samples obtained from a Harappan site in northern India have yielded aDNA indicating a closer genetic affinity to modern South Indians than their Northern compatriots. They particularly seem to resemble the Irula people of India's far south, pictured below.


    Though to be fair, there is some evidence for admixture with early Iranian farmers. And then of course there's the possibility that samples from elsewhere in the Indus Valley Civilization's domain might yield different affinities (e.g. those living further north and west might have more Iranian-like ancestry).

    Still, what we have indicates that the people who laid the pre-Vedic foundations for urbanized civilization on the Indian subcontinent were primarily aboriginal "black" people prior to being overrun by the Aryan tribes. Called it!

    Now how's that for rubbing scientific salt into white supremacist wounds?
    The harrappans were not black, just like how nobody in south asia is considered black. Also the aryans were not white and not european in origin either. In fact many tests indicate that the iran_neolithic component has some affinity towards ASI, so its not that different from how Saami people in scandinavia were heavily mixed with later incoming farmers and especially steppe people who also had alot of ANE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drogon View Post
    The harrappans were not black, just like how nobody in south asia is considered black. Also the aryans were not white and not european in origin either. In fact many tests indicate that the iran_neolithic component has some affinity towards ASI, so its not that different from how Saami people in scandinavia were heavily mixed with later incoming farmers and especially steppe people who also had alot of ANE.
    ???? wat

    the ASI on some calculators on gedmatch have a west eurasian component in it which is similar to iran neolithic but iran neolithic itself is VERY different from AASI (negrito)
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    "fit": 2.4371,

    "Greek_Crete": 70.83,
    "IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N": 25.83,
    "Oroqen": 2.5,
    "Karitiana": 0.83,
    "Simulated_AASI": 0,

    ----

    "fit": 2.5743,

    "Iranian_Mazandarani": 62.5,
    "Greek_Crete": 37.5,

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