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    Ask why some of your male relatives in Iberia have Haplogroup E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlessedbyHorus View Post
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    Ask why some of your male relatives in Iberia have Haplogroup E.
    The moors in Iberia thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    No DUMMY.
    Keep up with the latest research that yall seem to be jacking off to:



    Indigenous Ancient Egyptians were "Ancient North Africans" as displayed by Taforalt who are not "Middle East / North African".........They are North African + Caucus Mountain. (NACM) Keep up dummy, I am very happy to NOT be part of your tribe.

    The fact of the matter is the entire region has unaccounted for Egyptian Ancestry. The effective population size of the Caucus was not high enough to have spread that far and wide. Its like arguing the entirety of Egypt, the Maghreb and the HOA was overrun with "Arabs" 1500 years ago producing the genetic profiles you see today.

    To the paste eaters and lead paint drinking Euro and Arab clowns in the back: What you are looking at is a common ancestor (Probably of Eastern Saharan extraction) that diverged long ago...perhaps at a date in which and E-V68 and E-Z830 split. This is the major Paternal differentiation between Natufian and Taforalt and why Each population is not directly ancestral to the other. There is no telling how long Natufian's and other West Asian's African ancestors were chilling in the North East quadrant of Africa prior to exodus @Arch Hades this is what you need archaeology and anthropology for.

    Anyway. What are you going to do when another ancient report drops that's is similar to the results in HERE....when Much of the MENA's and HOA's "Dzudzuana and Natufian" is absorbed into NE African? Yall dickheads been on records for years talking about the Maghreb has no genetic continuity from the LSA. You were WRONG. And now you are on record basically arguing the Nile Valley has no Genetic continuity from the LSA either.

    Natufian are part Maghrebi....How much "Maghrebi" you think they are going to be when NE African component differentiates dickhead? Click that link and find out.
    What makes you think LSA NE Africans in Egypt will be more distant, genetically speaking, from West Eurasia than LSA NW Africans like Taforalt are? Simple Geography tells me not likely.

    However, either way it doesn't really matter.
    I am almost positive Ancient Egyptians circa 3,000 BC will deviate..genetically speaking, towards the Near East and West Eurasia in comparison to Taforalt. I'd bet Even Upper Egyptians will and with Lower Egyptians (You know, them boys who put up the Giza Pyramids) lol it'll be a blowout. Taforalt precedes the Eurasian Neolithic while Early Dynastic Egypt far post dates it. There's no way the Eurasian Neolithic did not effect the extreme corner of Northeastern Africa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Hades View Post
    What makes you think LSA NE Africans in Egypt will be more distant, genetically speaking, from West Eurasia than LSA NW Africans like Taforalt are? Simple Geography tells me not likely.

    However, either way it doesn't really matter.
    I am almost positive Ancient Egyptians circa 3,000 BC will deviate..genetically speaking, towards the Near East and West Eurasia in comparison to Taforalt. I'd bet Even Upper Egyptians will and with Lower Egyptians (You know, them boys who put up the Giza Pyramids) lol it'll be a blowout. Taforalt precedes the Eurasian Neolithic while Early Dynastic Egypt far post dates it. There's no way the Eurasian Neolithic did not effect the extreme corner of Northeastern Africa.
    Mr. Sherlock, we have more than half a century of archaeological data on the origins of dynastic era Egypt. Dynastic Egypt is rooted in what is known as the predynastic era in mostly Upper Egypt and adjacent areas, such as the Nubian desert. Predynastic Egypt occurred during the phases of the Green Sahara, you know, that period of history when North Africa and the Sahara were colonized by populations further from the south who traveled with the monsoon rains that shifted north from Southern Africa into the Sahara. Stop hoping against hope. Ancient DNA ain't gonna save your delusional fantasy about ancient Egyptians being sourced from Western Eurasians. Predynastic Egyptians used Middle Eastern farm animals, but their form of farming was traditional African farming strategies. Even if the Eurasian neolithic affected North East Africa, the founding predynastic population there remained African.

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    Mr. Sherlock, we have more than half a century of archaeological data on the origins of dynastic era Egypt. Dynastic Egypt is rooted in what is known as the predynastic era in mostly Upper Egypt and adjacent areas, such as the Nubian desert. Predynastic Egypt occurred during the phases of the Green Sahara, you know, that period of history when North Africa and the Sahara were colonized by populations further from the south who traveled with the monsoon rains that shifted north from Southern Africa into the Sahara. Stop hoping against hope. Ancient DNA ain't gonna save your delusional fantasy about ancient Egyptians being sourced from Western Eurasians. Predynastic Egyptians used Middle Eastern farm animals, but their form of farming was traditional African farming strategies. Even if the Eurasian neolithic affected North East Africa, the founding predynastic population there remained African.
    I think Ancient Egyptians will be sourced by 'Ancestral North Africans' AND West Eurasians..like Taforalt /IAM farmers and to a certain extent modern North Africans are..though the West Eurasian strain will be more dominant as it is in most modern North Africans compared to Taforalt. So they'll be like Taforalt as far as very deep phylogeny goes but they'll only deviate closer to the modern Near East [they'll be less African]. With Upper Egypt around Aswan it may be kind of close but with Lower Egypt and Memphis/Giza it wont be close at all. That is my prediction. And Ancient DNA on earlier dynasties is coming probably within the next half decade so we'll see.
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    @Arch Hades . Which population has more of the Egyptian component In the study i linked? What are you going to do when the data is pretty similar to that? Ans HOW do you explain that finding?

    You are making the mistake of trying to view Eurasian history by looking at Africans. Notice nearly all of what you said speaks about eurasian influence and you dont analyze the population from the African viewpoint of where they actually are and the African specifics of their population history.

    Do you think Egyptians got their U6 and M1 and EM78 from Taf? If not why do you keep inferring an important presence of ANA type ancestry in the Nile Valley ?

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    If ANA is primarily based on E1b1* or E1b1b1 + Eurasian females/autosomal profiles due to U6 and M1 (and similar, but extinct lineages) then it is not truly African, but a late palaeolithic back-migrant cluster.

    If it is based on E on the whole and L3 then it might be really African, but there are theories out there proposing E and L3 are early paleolithic back-migrants. Probably they were cognitively superior to the A/B & L0-L2 Africans and dominited them like the Bantus did with the Pgmies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ether View Post
    If ANA is primarily based on E1b1* or E1b1b1 + Eurasian females/autosomal profiles due to U6 and M1 (and similar, but extinct lineages) then it is not truly African, but a late palaeolithic back-migrant cluster.

    If it is based on E on the whole and L3 then it might be really African, but there are theories out there proposing E and L3 are early paleolithic back-migrants. Probably they were cognitively superior to the A/B & L0-L2 Africans and dominited them like the Bantus did with the Pgmies.
    This reasoning is retarded. ANA is "Deep Ancestry". "Ancestral North African" diverges after MOTA but before Crown Eurasian and "Basal Eurasian" which is 80kya. Haplogroup E nor L3 even existed 80 thousand years ago.

    WHY ARE YOU HERE? Next time you say something obviously stupid I will flag it for QBS.

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    These estimates are not set in stone and can change with more data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ether View Post
    These estimates are not set in stone and can change with more data.
    But we KNOW it diverges before "Crown Eurasians" right?
    And we KNOW it diverges before "Basal Eurasians" right?

    Go ahead an take a moment to put all that racial bullshit on the shelf (its clouding your judgement and making you dumb[er]) and just analyze the data in and of itself.
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    We have African substructure that exist at a time before "Eurasians" exist as a geographic entity.
    -BE might not, but most likely is part of that African Substructure....you guys are contesting that.
    -ANA is unquestionably and definitely part of that Sub structure.
    -Both the above precede a late OOA and Haplogroup E and L3.

    If it helps you sleep better you dont have to concede these ^ points to "Afrocentrism".....these are simply established facts based on the data we have. If you want to argue against regular ol' facts then you are here for a reason that doesn't involve learning something. You have a Jewish flag in your profile...Jews are smart. Be smart like other Jews. Don't waste time trolling Blacks. That is wasted time you can never get back. Similar to the time I am spending to respond to you.

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