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    Quote Originally Posted by CWF View Post
    You can't define people by how they look. How a person looks doesn't necessarily correlate to genetics/ancestry or ability.

    Plus those are two different reports by two different reporters.
    I expect that those two reporters still agree with each other and tie themselves in knots trying to do so. I don't define race according to looks, but looks tend to be an indication of race. That means that how a person looks most certainly has a correlation to genetics/ancestry. When we use the word, "correlation," it means, at least sometimes, our judgments are wrong. I define a biological "race" as a subset of a species with an ancestry that tends to differ from the remainder of the species, an ancestry of either different geography or different mating patterns. When you have such differences in ancestry, then those differences directly affect the frequency of genetic variances. Race is all about genetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApostateAbe View Post
    He is Australoid.
    Nothing australoid about him. What do we do ir he is mixed? Is he a member of the black race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    Nothing australoid about him. What do we do ir he is mixed? Is he a member of the black race?
    He is most certainly Australoid, and he most certainly has Australoid features. My first inkling was that he was Negroid, but I suspected it was a trick question, so I did a DuckDuckGo image search and found his Wikipedia entry. Australoid and Negroids have similar sets of phenotypes, both being descended from the hot climates, but a few key differences emerge upon close examination. Australoids tend to have more pronounced bony eyebrow ridges, for example, which is more obvious for Wendell Sailor in this photo, more of a side view of his head.



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    If he is mixed, then so what? Would we conclude that race is not an objective reality? Would we conclude that the act of mixing paint colors together means that there is no objective difference between red and green? No. Be careful of the continuum fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApostateAbe View Post
    He is most certainly Australoid, and he most certainly has Australoid features. My first inkling was that he was Negroid, but I suspected it was a trick question.
    You dont have to finish after this. You made my point. The fact that you had to investigate and disregard your initial impression Is why race is not biological.

    What are yall fools going to do when you find out all the autosomal clusters generated in ADMIXTURE originated on the African continent among Negroids with a Pre Out of Africa divergence date? You KNOW that is where things are headed right? Yeah.....go ahead and define genetic race, especially one that agrees with our pre genome classification.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    You dont have to finish after this. You made my point. The fact that you had to investigate and disregard your initial impression Is why race is not biological.
    Let's apply that reasoning elsewhere:

    Vodka looks similar to water. Therefore, no objective difference.

    H2S gas looks similar to typical atmospheric gas. Therefore, no objective difference.

    Pyrite looks similar to gold. Therefore, no objective difference.

    Details matter much more than surface impressions. Any geneticist and any forensic anthropologist can tell the difference between an Australoid and a Negroid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    What are yall fools going to do when you find out all the autosomal clusters generated in ADMIXTURE originated on the African continent among Negroids with a Pre Out of Africa divergence date? You KNOW that is where things are headed right?
    That seems like a reasonable expectation, and I don't expect it would make much of a difference. Differences are differences, and differences matter, wherever they may have originated.

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    What liquid is this?


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    If you need further information, then you just proved that there is no difference between gold and pyrite. See how that reasoning works? It doesn't.

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    beyoku's argument is far from original, unfortunately. I remember seeing a similar argument in PBS's documentary Race: The Power of an Illusion. You are presented with images of individuals of races that are either mixed or misleadingly obscure. You are led to guess their races wrongly, and therefore, the reasoning goes, human races are nothing more than a subjective haze.

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    Maybe not the documentary. It may have been just their web page here:

    http://www.pbs.org/race/002_SortingP...02_00-home.htm

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    Define genetic race. We are waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApostateAbe View Post
    He is most certainly Australoid, and he most certainly has Australoid features. My first inkling was that he was Negroid, but I suspected it was a trick question, so I did a DuckDuckGo image search and found his Wikipedia entry. Australoid and Negroids have similar sets of phenotypes, both being descended from the hot climates, but a few key differences emerge upon close examination. Australoids tend to have more pronounced bony eyebrow ridges, for example, which is more obvious for Wendell Sailor in this photo, more of a side view of his head.



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    If he is mixed, then so what? Would we conclude that race is not an objective reality? Would we conclude that the act of mixing paint colors together means that there is no objective difference between red and green? No. Be careful of the continuum fallacy.
    "Australoid" has really become a misused term to cluster anyone who looks black that is considered indigenous to locations OUTSIDE of Africa. Proper so called Australoids would actually be morphologically Proto-Eurasian dark skinned groups such as Aboriginal Australians, some Tamil or Dravidians & other scattered groups, even among some Native Americans. Also, I completely disagree with purposely narrowing racial make-up down to just tropical climate.
    Humans are NOT geographical crayons!

    This historical Native American had Australoidish features & it was very common to find these phenotypes among this tribe & others, as well as Paleo-Mongoloids. They lived in the cold ass Midwest.


    This woman is from the Bougainville (Pacific) Islands & can easily be simply classified as a so called OOA Negroid.
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