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    A womans [compatibility]immune system can be very enlightening when she gives birth to her children. Evolution has made it possible for her body to either accept or reject her newborn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonRouge View Post
    ^ lol this really is a hill you’re willing to die on, isn’t it?
    You know how a bunch of defenders of the theory of evolution spend their time waging rhetorical battles against creationists? I used to be among them. It seemed to be a silly thing, because creationists are effectively stricken from every field of science. The anti creationists still have strong feelings, because they want to defend good science, as it is a fundamental of rational thought. How much stronger would they feel if creationism won? Suppose creationists had become the established doctrine within anthropology, censoring everyone and everything that contradicts it? The whole field would be crippled, at the expense of science as a whole and society as a whole. To help solve that problem is a hill worth dying on, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
    Do you happen to have the full book? I would like more information. The only such survey I was aware of was reported in the paper, "Race Reconciled?: How Biological Anthropologists View Human Variation."

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    It is true that biological race doesn't exist, but HUMAN variation does. Human variation is not racial variation.
    Paxhumana died a long time ago Anodyne, GET OVER IT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Game Theory View Post
    It is true that biological race doesn't exist, but HUMAN variation does. Human variation is not racial variation.
    Human variation really is, in part, racial variation. When we divide the human species into a small number of large groups according to their level of genetic similarities, these groups correspond to socially-constructed races. Richard Lewontin was the researcher who first quantified the relative level of racial genetic variation, though his purpose was to make it seem like it just washes out (it doesn't). Racial variation is a big part of the package, though it isn't everything--within-race variation and small-group variation each have a component. Rosenberg et al's 2002 study is a good example, and you can go on Google Scholar and find plenty of subsequent related studies here: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?h...cture%22&btnG=

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApostateAbe View Post
    Human variation really is, in part, racial variation. When we divide the human species into a small number of large groups according to their level of genetic similarities, these groups correspond to socially-constructed races. Richard Lewontin was the researcher who first quantified the relative level of racial genetic variation, though his purpose was to make it seem like it just washes out (it doesn't). Racial variation is a big part of the package, though it isn't everything--within-race variation and small-group variation each have a component. Rosenberg et al's 2002 study is a good example, and you can go on Google Scholar and find plenty of subsequent related studies here: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?h...cture%22&btnG=
    Nope...you havent learned much. I just gave you a breakdown of rosentberg and how ALL those colors in the graph are Negroid.

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    Richard Lewontin was the researcher who first quantified the relative level of racial genetic variation, though his purpose was to make it seem like it just washes out (it doesn't). Racial variation is a big part of the package, though it isn't everything--within-race variation and small-group variation each have a component.
    His original paper on the subject was published in 1972, well before the field of genetics was established.

    Lewontin, R (1972). "The Apportionment of Human Diversity". Evolutionary Biology. 6: 391–398.


    TABLE 2. Statements and summary of responses from professional anthropologists (Wagner et al. 2017).

    Heated controversies over the use, (mis)appropriation, harmful effects, and rejection of race continue to make regular headlines. The continued use of race concepts in genetic research was described recently as “problematic at best and harmful at worst” (Yudell, Roberts, DeSalle, & Tishkoff, 2016, p. 564). Two years ago Dobbs (2014) denounced Nicholas Wade's “A Troublesome Inheritance” (2014)—a book in which Wade, using a combination of circular logic, speculation, and “just‐so” stories, made unsubstantiated claims about the genetic basis for three major human races—and described it as “a deeply flawed, deceptive and dangerous book.” One hundred forty‐three leading human geneticists admonished Wade for his “misappropriation” of their research and rejected the idea that their work substantiated any of Wade's racial claims (Coop et al., 2014). While use of race is problematic, some researchers have indicated when it comes to eliminating racial injustices, “‘there are much bigger fish to fry’ than scrubbing race as a biological category” (Begley, 2016). Moreover, simple substitution of terms (e.g., race, population, and ancestry) is not a panacea, because each scientific question requires selection of an appropriate lens through which it can be answered.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5299519/
    In epidemiology, self-reported population ancestry likely provides a suitable proxy for genetic ancestry, according to Rosenberg et al. (2002). But the authors conceded that the use of genetic clusters is more appropriate than using self-reported ancestry. Back in 2002, the my favorite term 'haplogroup' has started appear in scientific literature.

    In some contexts, however, use of genetic clusters is more appropriate than use of self-reported ancestry. Thus, errors incurred by using self-reported rather than genetic ancestry might cause serious problems in large studies that will be required for identifying susceptibility loci with small effects (26). Genetic clustering is also more appropriate for some types of population genetic studies, because unrecognized genetic structure can produce false positives in statistical tests for population growth or natural selection (27). The challenge of genetic studies of human history is to use the small amount of genetic differentiation among populations to infer the history of human migrations. Because most alleles are widespread, genetic differences among human populations derive mainly from gradations in allele frequencies rather than from distinctive “diagnostic” genotypes.
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