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    Default How can SSA ancestry=True Negro and Niger Kongo, when the genes preceded language family?

    If you argue that its recent, from where did it originate then? Basically I am asking where did the ancestry that we call SSA/True Negro/Niger Kongo originate?


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    Niger-Kongo,Nilo-Saharans,African Hunter gatherers and Chadic/Omotic speakers are all within the SSA cluster in a world pca plot.I have never heard anyone say Niger-Kongo = "real africans"

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    Its probably going to be as combination of 5 or more ancestries in no particular order.
    1 of ancient east African extraction. One of recent east African extraction. One related to ANA, one characteristic of pygmies. Add in Absorbed archaic ancestry. All laid on top of an old stone age west African base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    Its probably going to be as combination of 5 or more ancestries in no particular order.
    1 of ancient east African extraction. One of recent east African extraction. One related to ANA, one characteristic of pygmies. Add in Absorbed archaic ancestry. All laid on top of an old stone age west African base.
    Are you speaking about the modern populations called SSA, of the ancient Saharans?


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    IDK about "true negros" but the bio-anthropological orgins of Niger Congo speakers has been extremely neglected in favor of AA speakers when it comes to African populations.

    The green sahara is still blurry. Some language ppl dont know whether they NC or Nilo Saharan. Heck the Bantu migration some ppl believe needs more extra work.

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    Modern Niger Kongo populations, the details are quite clear in their Uniparentals which tells a bit about the West African genetic sink.

    They have an East African root due to humans supposedly originating in the East.
    They have a very ancient substratum probably defined by L1 shared with Central African HG's, A0 could be a counterpart.
    There were supposed resident archaics (see Iwo Eleru) who were absorbed.
    There is OLD Aterian and ANA bidirectional gene-flow.
    There is the major L2 central African spread. Then a major L3 push from the East perhaps coinciding with the Bulk of Senegambians ancestry diverging from what would become Nilo-Saharans.
    Very Early V38 break from east to west (Similar in age to M35's northern push) with a L3b'd'c'd' companion (See Above) or a Later wet phase V38 push from the East with a possible L3f/L0a companion 18-12kya coinciding with a Niger-Kordofanian (as opposed to Niger Congo) phylum.....or a even Kongo-Saharan phylum. However it happens this last even is the final breakup between what we know as ancient Linguistic sharping between AA, NS and NK.

    Some of the above is somewhat conjecture of old events..
    After about 6000BC we have a pretty good grasp of what happened.

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    I honestly have observed an agenda from the get go to try to hide the fact that the so called Negroid race is much older than presented. It's evident in quotes from earlier racist anthropological reports.
    (see below)


    "True Black Africans appear as a recent adaptive radiation [...] apparently branching off from an ancestral Pygmy population — a line of ancestry also indicated by osteological data (Coon 1962:651-656; Watson et al. 1996). This radiation seems to have occurred somewhere in West Africa. Before the Bantu expansion about 3,000 years ago, true Black Africans were absent from the continent's central, eastern, and southern regions (Cavalli-Sforza 1986:361-362; Oliver 1966). They were also absent from the middle Nile until about 4,000 years ago, at which time they begin to appear in paintings from Pharaonic Egypt and in skeletal remains from Nubia." (Frost, 1999)


    I feel as though Anthropological and linguistic data on Black populations needs to be reexamined or rewritten because the initial motive of our biased counterparts was to disassociate so called Negroids from Civilization Studies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strong Flower View Post

    I feel as though Anthropological and linguistic data on Black populations needs to be reexamined or rewritten because the initial motive of our biased counterparts was to disassociate so called Negroids from Civilization Studies.
    Which civilizations are 'they' trying to disassociate the negroid race from? Ancient Egypt or is Ancient Europe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beyoku View Post
    Modern Niger Kongo populations, the details are quite clear in their Uniparentals which tells a bit about the West African genetic sink.

    They have an East African root due to humans supposedly originating in the East.
    They have a very ancient substratum probably defined by L1 shared with Central African HG's, A0 could be a counterpart.
    There were supposed resident archaics (see Iwo Eleru) who were absorbed.
    There is OLD Aterian and ANA bidirectional gene-flow.
    There is the major L2 central African spread. Then a major L3 push from the East perhaps coinciding with the Bulk of Senegambians ancestry diverging from what would become Nilo-Saharans.
    Very Early V38 break from east to west (Similar in age to M35's northern push) with a L3b'd'c'd' companion (See Above) or a Later wet phase V38 push from the East with a possible L3f/L0a companion 18-12kya coinciding with a Niger-Kordofanian (as opposed to Niger Congo) phylum.....or a even Kongo-Saharan phylum. However it happens this last even is the final breakup between what we know as ancient Linguistic sharping between AA, NS and NK.

    Some of the above is somewhat conjecture of old events..
    After about 6000BC we have a pretty good grasp of what happened.
    Wow that's deep. Given this information, what makes the Niger Kongo/West African ancestry more distinctive from the other African ancestries? If we take the word of geneticists, this ancestry just popped up out of no where and became super distinctive


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    Quote Originally Posted by Game Theory View Post
    Given this information, what makes the Niger Kongo/West African ancestry more distinctive from the other African ancestries?
    Probably the addition of that 31% basal human as reported by Schlebusch.

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