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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhalasi View Post
    to me ethnicity is more important than nationality. And since most curacaoans and arubans that i know are black, to me in order to be considered curacaoan youll have to be half or fully afro-caribbean. and thats my opinion lol
    That was the original definition of what an Haitian was. Due to the extreme ugliness and viciousness of the race war/war of independence against France over there, the victorious black/mulatto coalition decided to exclude European and European descended people from the rights of nationality and citizenship once independence was achieved there. Problems for them began when they pretended to extend that constitutional prohibition to the Dominican side of the island, since we criollos (criollo here meaning both European descended people and/or people with heavy Euro admixture and cultural leanings) form a significant part of the population here. Later on the Yankee occupation forced them to repeal that clause of their constitution, yet they keep it indirectly, by making prospective European property owning and all around living difficult on their side of the fence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Andullero View Post
    That was the original definition of what an Haitian was. Due to the extreme ugliness and viciousness of the race war/war of independence against France over there, the victorious black/mulatto coalition decided to exclude European and European descended people from the rights of nationality and citizenship once independence was achieved there. Problems for them began when they pretended to extend that constitutional prohibition to the Dominican side of the island, since we criollos (criollo here meaning both European descended people and/or people with heavy Euro admixture and cultural leanings) form a significant part of the population here. Later on the Yankee occupation forced them to repeal that clause of their constitution, yet they keep it indirectly, by making prospective European property owning and all around living difficult on their side of the fence.
    Good thing that we didn't had that in the Dutch Caribbean. A ugly race war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Andullero View Post
    That was the original definition of what an Haitian was. Due to the extreme ugliness and viciousness of the race war/war of independence against France over there, the victorious black/mulatto coalition decided to exclude European and European descended people from the rights of nationality and citizenship once independence was achieved there. Problems for them began when they pretended to extend that constitutional prohibition to the Dominican side of the island, since we criollos (criollo here meaning both European descended people and/or people with heavy Euro admixture and cultural leanings) form a significant part of the population here. Later on the Yankee occupation forced them to repeal that clause of their constitution, yet they keep it indirectly, by making prospective European property owning and all around living difficult on their side of the fence.
    lol wow, well yknow i would never approve of giving whites a bad time on purpose. but imo if you are 100% white european, and you are born in africa or the caribbeans you arent a caribbean or a african. You are still at the end of the day a european and thats what my point was all along.

    I couldve been born in Japan, that wouldnt have made me a Japanese person, i wouldve still been half white and half african.

    but eitherway yeah, what they are doing i dont approve of either but yeah what can you do about it xD racism exists everywhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhalasi View Post
    lol wow, well yknow i would never approve of giving whites a bad time on purpose. but imo if you are 100% white european, and you are born in africa or the caribbeans you arent a caribbean or a african. You are still at the end of the day a european and thats what my point was all along.

    I couldve been born in Japan, that wouldnt have made me a Japanese person, i wouldve still been half white and half african.

    but eitherway yeah, what they are doing i dont approve of either but yeah what can you do about it xD racism exists everywhere
    With that mindset there will be no unity in the Dutch Caribbean IMO, and thats one of the many things that we should do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaquille View Post
    With that mindset there will be no unity in the Dutch Caribbean IMO, and thats one of the many things that we should do.
    Exactly. At the end of the day even the Amerindians were immigrants on these islands, so the best way to go is to push for a composite common culture/identity that sinthetizes all the existing groups here, as your signature shows.

    P.S.: I think you should put in your "Politics" label "Duartian Republicanism".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaquille View Post
    With that mindset there will be no unity in the Dutch Caribbean IMO, and thats one of the many things that we should do.
    well yeah, it might not be a optimal "mindset" but to me its 100% true. if you are 100% white, and you are born in africa, how can you say you are just as african as your fully Ghanaian neighbor? thats just bullshit tbh. you mightve grown up in the same enviroment, same people, and same traditions but you are still white, and he is 100% african.

    im not saying that should be a thing to divide people, you can also be born in africa, be 100% white, and still be accepted into the community, im just saying you wont be african even if you are born there.

    just because you are born in africa doesnt mean your genetics change to subsaharan african from european.

    i think yall misunderstand my point. im not saying just because you are white for example and born in the caribbeans that doesnt mean you cannot be considered caribbean or identify as caribbean, as ive already said do whatever the fuck you wanna do lol.

    but dont mistake "identifying as caribbean" and actually BEING caribbean as being the same thing. because it isnt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhalasi View Post
    well yeah, it might not be a optimal "mindset" but to me its 100% true. if you are 100% white, and you are born in africa, how can you say you are just as african as your fully Ghanaian neighbor? thats just bullshit tbh. you mightve grown up in the same enviroment, same people, and same traditions but you are still white, and he is 100% african.

    im not saying that should be a thing to divide people, you can also be born in africa, be 100% white, and still be accepted into the community, im just saying you wont be african even if you are born there.

    just because you are born in africa doesnt mean your genetics change to subsaharan african from european.

    i think yall misunderstand my point. im not saying just because you are white for example and born in the caribbeans that doesnt mean you cannot be considered caribbean or identify as caribbean, as ive already said do whatever the fuck you wanna do lol.

    but dont mistake "identifying as caribbean" and actually BEING caribbean as being the same thing. because it isnt.
    Okay, so the people who are descendants of Africans are not Caribbean then? Since they are not native to the Caribbean just like the European descendants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Andullero View Post
    Exactly. At the end of the day even the Amerindians were immigrants on these islands, so the best way to go is to push for a composite common culture/identity that sinthetizes all the existing groups here, as your signature shows.

    P.S.: I think you should put in your "Politics" label "Duartian Republicanism".
    Exactly!!

    Ps: I have changed it to Duartian Republicanism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaquille View Post
    Okay, so the people who are descendants of Africans are not Caribbean then? Since they are not native to the Caribbean just like the European descendants.

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    Exactly!!

    Ps: I have changed it to Duartian Republicanism
    mind you when i use the term "caribbean" i refer to "afro-caribbeans" which ive previously mentioned 20x beforehand..

    so no, thats not what i ment.

    europeans arent afro-caribbeans, even if they are born in curacao or aruba.

    a white european also isnt a african if hes born in africa. i noticed yall take nationality way too serious xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhalasi View Post
    mind you when i use the term "caribbean" i refer to "afro-caribbeans" which ive previously mentioned 20x beforehand..

    so no, thats not what i ment.

    europeans arent afro-caribbeans, even if they are born in curacao or aruba.

    a white european also isnt a african if hes born in africa. i noticed yall take nationality way too serious xD
    I know that they are not afro-caribbean. But I think that you misunderstood me. We are not taking it way to seriously, but if you want to make it that way, go that's fine by me. In the end of the day people will have different opinions.

    But I will leave now, gonna watch me some Bojack Horseman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaquille View Post
    I know that they are not afro-caribbean. But I think that you misunderstood me. We are not taking it way to seriously, but if you want to make it that way, go that's fine by me. In the end of the day people will have different opinions.

    But I will leave now, gonna watch me some Bojack Horseman.
    HAHAH bojack horseman is funny as fuck, have fun bro
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