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    Default Capitalism causes Liberalism & Globalism, no?

    I think it's obvious that Capitalism facilates socially Liberal values.

    Think about it, the true Capitalist wants to profit off of the degeneracy & destruction of society, selling Illicit drugs for profits, hiring Illegal Immigrants & Refugees for cheap labor profits, bringing in H2-B Visa people for high tech labor, selling Prostitutes for profit, selling Porn for profit, selling Abortion for profit, selling Gay wedding banquets, and cakes for profit, selling Hollywood degenerate, raunchy, shoot 'em up films for profit, Media selling the Liberal agenda, Facebook & Twitter censoring out the Right-Wing opposition, Google doing biased Liberal searches, the outsourcing of jobs to hostile enemies for profits be it China, Mexico, or Vietnam etc.

    The Globalist problem is largely being worsened by Outsourcing, and trade between companies on a Global scale.

    Capitalism has become a danger, propping up China's economy, to take over the World of the future, when they don't respect the West very well, nor does China have good rights at all.

    Then there's the spread of disease, it doesn't matter what, it could be a bad Flu, or worse Ebola, HIV/AIDS, Sars, or the Zika virus.

    The fact is I don't support all this mumbo jumbo.

    In the U.S.A imparticularly, the problem is most see Capitalism as the solution to all problems.

    Even socially Conservative people in the U.S.A tend to put Capitalism on a pedastal, they have been brainwashed & trained to support their own demise.



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    I think it's obvious that we even have strong supporting evidence in Eastern Europe, of how Capitalism is leading to greater diversity.

    Look at Russia, not a heck of a lot richer than in 1990, but a heck of a lot more Muslim, and Asiatic than in 1990.

    It seems all Capitalism has done for Russia, is grow the power of the rich Oligarchs, and bring in their Muslim & Asian buddies.

    Yes, every single Eastern European country is getting more & more immigrants too.

    The funny thing is during the Soviet era, Poland, Ukraine & Russia became actually more & more homogenous.
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    It seems all Capitalism has done for Russia, is grow the power of the rich Oligarchs, and bring in their Muslim & Asian buddies.
    I doubt that the market economics is responsible 4 that. Rather I guess that the heir of communism, combined with politics of former communists, like putler, are the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
    Nope.
    Germanic Americans especially are a little slow, if they think loose government, and strict values are the most compatible.

    Yes, it clearly does.

    Take Poland, it got more Polish under Communist rule.

    Now Poland, in recent years, has had Corporations complain, just like the U.S.A Corporations complain.

    It's simple, now Poland's getting more like the USA, and at the demands of Capitalist labor shortages, and cheap labor needs has been taking in a good deal of Ukrainians, and also some others, a little bit of Chechens, a little bit of Vietnamese, and well a few more groups, but it's adding up.

    This is what Capitalism is about.

    If you don't know it, you're not very bright.

    You Germanic trash heaps, can't even get politics correct, and you're looking to crack physics, and other things.

    Your societies are crumbling in front of our eyes, and you people keep doing the wrong thing, even when you see the problem, because of your sub-Human intellects.

    Now, I'm not perhaps the next Einstein, but I know that illegal immigrants are over, and over again being picked up on street corners for construction, working on farms, working in restaurants.

    Why the F*ck is this?
    How can anybody believe it's NOT a Capitalist problem?

    Germanic idiots, that's who the f*ck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alistair View Post
    I doubt that the market economics is responsible 4 that. Rather I guess that the heir of communism, combined with politics of former communists, like putler, are the reason.
    Capitalism has been responsible for the bulk of Multicultural / Immigration.

    Absolutely, Russia was getting if anything more Russian, and more White under Stalin, now it's getting a lot less so White, and Russian, as a ton of Central-Asian, and Caucasus peoples flood into Moscow, and other Russian places which were once almost all White & Russian, for instance.

    Considering that like 99.9% of Russias migrants are workers of Russian businesses, This can only be seen, as Capitalism driving in labor, and Capitalist needs, especially because it didn't start until Russia adopted a Capitalist style market.

    The USA is the most multicultural of the White countries, simply because it had a head-start on Capitalism.

    While, the early USA wasn't Capitalist in a pure sense, it did have many proto-Capitalist like ideals, which of course brought in a ton of Black slaves for market economy cheap labor profits.

    The market which drives for profits, will generally lead to more, and more ways to look to profit, and that includes cheap labor immigrants, who work often more time, for less pay.

    Of course, selling things like Pornography, or Hollywood smut, and violent films are a pinnacle of venture Capitalism, you make profits until someone stops you, same with selling illicit drugs, while it maybe a more crude form of it, drug-dealers are just providing a supply & demand market, a tenet of Capitalism.

    So, absolutely free-market Capitalism is in conflict, and in steep contrast in general with actual social-Conservative values.

    I don't know why so few Americans / Western Europeans, and especially Germanic-American Republicans don't understand this, but think that Capitalism is leading to some kind of social-Conservative environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WitoldPilecki View Post
    Capitalism causes Liberalism & Globalism, no?
    Sure. But that's hardly the worst problem with capitalism. The real issue with capitalism is that it's poisoning our planet and killing the biosphere, all in the name of profit. Good luck arguing that liberalism and globalism are bad when there's no air left to breathe, and the temperature is 400 degrees Celsius. Of course, one can always argue that it's liberalism and globalism that are behind capitalism's environmental problems, but hey, same shit, different name. You can't really have capitalism without liberalism and globalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by WitoldPilecki View Post
    I think it's obvious that Capitalism facilates socially Liberal values.

    Think about it, the true Capitalist wants to profit off of the degeneracy & destruction of society, selling Illicit drugs for profits, hiring Illegal Immigrants & Refugees for cheap labor profits, bringing in H2-B Visa people for high tech labor, selling Prostitutes for profit, selling Porn for profit, selling Abortion for profit, selling Gay wedding banquets, and cakes for profit, selling Hollywood degenerate, raunchy, shoot 'em up films for profit, Media selling the Liberal agenda, Facebook & Twitter censoring out the Right-Wing opposition, Google doing biased Liberal searches, the outsourcing of jobs to hostile enemies for profits be it China, Mexico, or Vietnam etc.
    Thing is, capitalism has no loyalty to traditions/culture/people/nation/country, the environment, biological diversity or anything of importance or whatever you hold sacred and dear. Capitalism's only loyalty is maximum profit. Can we make a million bucks more than the billion dollars we're making yearly by shitting out poison into the sea and pollution into the atmosphere? Let's do it! Never mind that there are environmentally sound solutions and powerful alternatives, like veganism, industrial hemp and renewable energy; as long as it's slightly more profitable to do it with fossil fuels and meat/dairy, it must be done the old way; upgrades be damned! This is also why criminals are often strange bedfellows, if you know what I mean, because they're in it for the money. Why else would they associate if not for money?

    Quote Originally Posted by WitoldPilecki View Post
    The Globalist problem is largely being worsened by Outsourcing, and trade between companies on a Global scale.

    Capitalism has become a danger, propping up China's economy, to take over the World of the future, when they don't respect the West very well, nor does China have good rights at all.

    Then there's the spread of disease, it doesn't matter what, it could be a bad Flu, or worse Ebola, HIV/AIDS, Sars, or the Zika virus.

    The fact is I don't support all this mumbo jumbo.
    The disease stuff though, can't really be blamed on capitalism. Most of these viruses originate in the third world, namely, Africa. That's because the third world is poor, ignorant and backwards, and back in the days, before science and technology, when Europe was a scientifically illiterate region, there were lots of similar diseases, viruses and plagues.

    Quote Originally Posted by WitoldPilecki View Post
    In the U.S.A imparticularly, the problem is most see Capitalism as the solution to all problems.
    Well Americans have a hard time being objective about this stuff (and by "Americans" I mean white Americans). I remember @Unome years ago, saying "we still see capitalism as a good thing", as if that mindset was a plus or an advantage.

    Capitalism is a disaster, and if you haven't figured out why, chances are you're not much of a thinker. Now the fact that capitalism is a disaster, doesn't mean that Communism is the solution, and that's basically what we're cursed with here: plague or cholera. Capitalism only works well, if it's tightly regulated with environmental laws, workers' rights and stuff like that, similar to how Sweden and the other Nordic countries have done it. But that's not real and pure capitalism, which must be unrestricted with little to no regulations. Ironically, capitalism works much better when it's done according to the Nordic model, and Sweden has per capita, more billionaires than America

    Quote Originally Posted by WitoldPilecki View Post
    Even socially Conservative people in the U.S.A tend to put Capitalism on a pedastal, they have been brainwashed & trained to support their own demise.
    Conservative Americans are the ones with the most pro-capitalist mindset. Thing is, such Americans, by virtue of being conservative, are basically stuck in time. If you analyze America and Americans, it's a generally very conservative country, and as an example: they're still using colonial units, and inches and feet and so on, instead of the metric system; why else would they reject a superior international standard like the metric system, if not for conservatism? Because conservatism basically means no change. And capitalism was fine in the 1700s. Back then, the global human population was much smaller, there were no real capitalist industries that polluted everything in the name of profit, and there was no knowledge bank like the internet that enlightened people. Heck, there wasn't even communism at the time. So capitalism made a lot of sense back then. But things are way different now, demographically, and people should be made aware of the ills and dangers of capitalism, or else we're all fucked.

    One thing I have to give Hillary Clinton a lot of respect for, is that in the primary debates when asked if she considered herself a capitalist, she said something along the lines that she's not anti-capitalist, but that the Democrats' role is to reign in the excess of capitalism. The fact that she understands such a crucial and problematic aspect of capitalism, means that she has some competence and basic understanding of politics. However, she was totally evil on other stuff (demographics), so it's probably a good thing that she lost.

    Quote Originally Posted by WitoldPilecki View Post
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    I think it's obvious that we even have strong supporting evidence in Eastern Europe, of how Capitalism is leading to greater diversity.

    Look at Russia, not a heck of a lot richer than in 1990, but a heck of a lot more Muslim, and Asiatic than in 1990.

    It seems all Capitalism has done for Russia, is grow the power of the rich Oligarchs, and bring in their Muslim & Asian buddies.

    Yes, every single Eastern European country is getting more & more immigrants too.

    The funny thing is during the Soviet era, Poland, Ukraine & Russia became actually more & more homogenous.
    Well the immigrant issue isn't entirely due to capitalism, although a strong case can be made that to the extent that capitalism makes countries richer, they will also attract Muslims and other third worlders as a consequence of wealth. Third world immigration is significantly tied to high birth rates in the third world and humanism and liberalism in the first world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Sure. But that's hardly the worst problem with capitalism. The real issue with capitalism is that it's poisoning our planet and killing the biosphere, all in the name of profit. Good luck arguing that liberalism and globalism are bad when there's no air left to breathe, and the temperature is 400 degrees Celsius. Of course, one can always argue that it's liberalism and globalism that are behind capitalism's environmental problems, but hey, same shit, different name. You can't really have capitalism without liberalism and globalism.

    Thing is, capitalism has no loyalty to traditions/culture/people/nation/country, the environment, biological diversity or anything of importance or whatever you hold sacred and dear. Capitalism's only loyalty is maximum profit. Can we make a million bucks more than the billion dollars we're making yearly by shitting out poison into the sea and pollution into the atmosphere? Let's do it! Never mind that there are environmentally sound solutions and powerful alternatives, like veganism, industrial hemp and renewable energy; as long as it's slightly more profitable to do it with fossil fuels and meat/dairy, it must be done the old way; upgrades be damned! This is also why criminals are often strange bedfellows, if you know what I mean, because they're in it for the money. Why else would they associate if not for money?

    The disease stuff though, can't really be blamed on capitalism. Most of these viruses originate in the third world, namely, Africa. That's because the third world is poor, ignorant and backwards, and back in the days, before science and technology, when Europe was a scientifically illiterate region, there were lots of similar diseases, viruses and plagues.

    Well Americans have a hard time being objective about this stuff (and by "Americans" I mean white Americans). I remember @Unome years ago, saying "we still see capitalism as a good thing", as if that mindset was a plus or an advantage.

    Capitalism is a disaster, and if you haven't figured out why, chances are you're not much of a thinker. Now the fact that capitalism is a disaster, doesn't mean that Communism is the solution, and that's basically what we're cursed with here: plague or cholera. Capitalism only works well, if it's tightly regulated with environmental laws, workers' rights and stuff like that, similar to how Sweden and the other Nordic countries have done it. But that's not real and pure capitalism, which must be unrestricted with little to no regulations. Ironically, capitalism works much better when it's done according to the Nordic model, and Sweden has per capita, more billionaires than America

    Conservative Americans are the ones with the most pro-capitalist mindset. Thing is, such Americans, by virtue of being conservative, are basically stuck in time. If you analyze America and Americans, it's a generally very conservative country, and as an example: they're still using colonial units, and inches and feet and so on, instead of the metric system; why else would they reject a superior international standard like the metric system, if not for conservatism? Because conservatism basically means no change. And capitalism was fine in the 1700s. Back then, the global human population was much smaller, there were no real capitalist industries that polluted everything in the name of profit, and there was no knowledge bank like the internet that enlightened people. Heck, there wasn't even communism at the time. So capitalism made a lot of sense back then. But things are way different now, demographically, and people should be made aware of the ills and dangers of capitalism, or else we're all fucked.

    One thing I have to give Hillary Clinton a lot of respect for, is that in the primary debates when asked if she considered herself a capitalist, she said something along the lines that she's not anti-capitalist, but that the Democrats' role is to reign in the excess of capitalism. The fact that she understands such a crucial and problematic aspect of capitalism, means that she has some competence and basic understanding of politics. However, she was totally evil on other stuff (demographics), so it's probably a good thing that she lost.

    Well the immigrant issue isn't entirely due to capitalism, although a strong case can be made that to the extent that capitalism makes countries richer, they will also attract Muslims and other third worlders as a consequence of wealth. Third world immigration is significantly tied to high birth rates in the third world and humanism and liberalism in the first world.
    In my opinion it might be a bit of a toss up, what will be erased from the future first, White people, or people all together.

    That's certainly not much of option, and both issues are largely Capitalism.

    Capitalism pollutes, and destroys forests, it also brings in H-2B visa people, and Illegal Immigrants (Largely non-Whites) into White nations to sustain labor shortages, and cheap labor needs.

    Anyways, I don't even think Capitalism is even Conservative, that's an American thing, and not even a correct thing.

    By classical definitions free markets is economic Liberalism / classical Liberalism.
    Also true is that the first Leftists were actually Capitalists for Democracy voting rights in the French Revolution, as opposed to the Authoritarian Monarchists for feudalism, and traditional rights were the Right-Wing in the French Revolution.

    In Europe, Poland, or Hungary for example are definitely way more Conservative than the USA, they haven't really let in much, if any Islamist refugees, or Illegal immigrants, and a lot less abortion, and a lack of Gay rights, they're not particularly Capitalist, either.
    Poland & Hungary both for example both have national healthcare, they both are pretty Nationalistic being suspicious at times of foreign companies even, also Poland is starting to be concerned by it's Coal problems, and has pensions for families to have kids. (Although I'm not so sure how environmental friendly the latter is, it is White friendly)

    Now, the USA didn't start off particularly Capitalist, actually until nearly the end of the 19th century, the USA had huge state regulations on corporations regulating them.

    There's some articles on this even online.

    http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporat...rporations-us/
    https://www.pennlive.com/editorials/..._had_conc.html

    In fact, both Roosevelts had regulated corporations too, so it's arguably not until post WW2, where we start to see Capitalism take full effect in the USA.

    So, I don't really know where Americans are getting all this mumbo jumbo from.

    Personally I'm very upset, as are my parents, (At times at least)

    My full blooded Polish-American father always blames Wall-street for destroying the environment, sending jobs to China, bringing in Illegal immigrants, and H-2B VISA people, to cut our throats, over, and over, and over again.

    I don't know what is wrong with Americans, but they sure can be dumb.

    What really gets me going just as much, is they'll say they hate big government, tyranny, and genocide, that is until it comes to war, then they want to cause mini-genocides in the Mid-East, and support Israel's brutality.

    Personally, I don't understand the USA South especially, and to a lesser extent the Mid-West, I think they aren't very bright, or very civilized peoples at all.

    I really don't know what we're doing, and I've had many such discussions with my parents about it.

    Like why real-wages are so stagnant since 1970, even though productivity is way up in the USA, why we let in so many foreigners take our jobs to sell our future down the road.
    Why we continue to pollute, cut down the rain forest, and endanger Animals.

    Don't get me started on the underfunded pet pounds, with all these cats, and dogs living in jail like conditions.
    Many of them in recent times, Pitbulls tough guys give up, because they couldn't handle them, or didn't want them anymore. (It's all so sick)

    Then there is the fact, that the dumb, and criminal of society progressively generation after generation continue to have more kids.

    Now back in the day, this was combated better, now being a idiot, and criminal is even seen sometimes as the "Cool guys" not to mention society often over-funds them.

    Then theres all the Americans who died from heart-diseases they that could have been treated before hand, if they had better insurance, or insurance at all.
    Many Americans think it's a true patriotism for these people to die like this.

    Of course, what I don't get, is Abortion, killing fetuses.
    They'll say that they found life on Mars a single celled one, but somehow a fetus, a start of Humanity is not.

    Then there's the kids all watching filth on TV,
    and
    don't get me started on these Internet moguls like Facebook, or Youtube censoring out everybody more right-wing to H.W Bush.

    I also don't really understand the News, they give like 1% of the News, and all they do is badmouth Trump, now I think Trumps a jerk, but a lot of shit goes on other than Trump running his mouth.

    Now, Trump is pushing for anti-Obama-care measures which will kill a ton of Americans, presumably.
    Not to mention his anti-environment rhetoric is tiresome.
    Well, he hasn't even deported anymore Illegals than Obama.

    As for Cuomo, hes just as bad, who the heck wants to have their money going to pay for schooling of Illegal immigrants?
    What the heck is a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants? Who wants them here, taking more than they put into the system?
    or
    for that matter what is wrong with Cuomo for abortion?

    I think theres a bunch of really bad idiots out there, and that fits with eugenics theories, the dumb people kept reproducing more, and the welfare state, and natural selection didn't counter them enough.


    As for the solution to Capitalism, I didn't say Communism.
    But, some kind of more authoritarian regime, it doesn't matter what kind, it can be Social-Democracy with regulations, Fascism with regulations, or some kind of Monarchy, or partial Democracy.

    The fact is what we have is stinky, its piss poor planning, its inefficient, its anti-Nationalism, its against the environment.

    It is probably even worse than Communism, in many ways to tell you the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WitoldPilecki View Post
    Germanic Americans especially are a little slow, if they think loose government, and strict values are the most compatible.

    Yes, it clearly does.

    Take Poland, it got more Polish under Communist rule.

    Now Poland, in recent years, has had Corporations complain, just like the U.S.A Corporations complain.

    It's simple, now Poland's getting more like the USA, and at the demands of Capitalist labor shortages, and cheap labor needs has been taking in a good deal of Ukrainians, and also some others, a little bit of Chechens, a little bit of Vietnamese, and well a few more groups, but it's adding up.

    This is what Capitalism is about.

    If you don't know it, you're not very bright.

    You Germanic trash heaps, can't even get politics correct, and you're looking to crack physics, and other things.

    Your societies are crumbling in front of our eyes, and you people keep doing the wrong thing, even when you see the problem, because of your sub-Human intellects.

    Now, I'm not perhaps the next Einstein, but I know that illegal immigrants are over, and over again being picked up on street corners for construction, working on farms, working in restaurants.

    Why the F*ck is this?
    How can anybody believe it's NOT a Capitalist problem?

    Germanic idiots, that's who the f*ck.
    Fuck off then commie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
    Fuck off then commie.
    In the World of Germanic American idiots, there's just Commies, and Capitalists.

    Of course, there's many other systems, there's what China has a mix of Capitalism, and Communism, there's Authoritarian Monarchies like Franco's Spain had, there's Fascism like Mussolini had, there's Democratic Socialism. There's also Mercantilism which isn't really Capitalism, either, and then there's systems like that of Poland, and the Founding Fathers in the 1790's, which is mix of Authoritarianism, and Democratic Capitalism.
    Then
    maybe even just Authoritarian strongman, which aren't really Capitalist, or Socialist, or Monarchists in our modern sense, people like Horthy, or Pilsudski, or Jozef Beck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WitoldPilecki View Post
    In the World of Germanic American idiots, there's just Commies, and Capitalists.
    Nice attempt at a retort, but you're a dumb polak so I cannot expect much.

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