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    Quote Originally Posted by Espoir View Post
    Nobody has it so far, it seems like all Cushitic derived haplos are E-M293
    That haplogroup is not found among us lowland east cushitics.We're mostly E-V32 of various subclades and minority T,J1,A etc

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    this is a small sample of Tutsis that used nMonte. Some of the populations are not clear. There is:
    Malawi Fingira 2000 B.P & 8000 B.P
    Tanzania Pemba 700 B.P
    Ethiopian Anuak
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    Colored dots represent Tutsis. Seems we are very close to Masai, even though our breakdowns are different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meygaag View Post
    That haplogroup is not found among us lowland east cushitics.We're mostly E-V32 of various subclades and minority T,J1,A etc
    Isn't it interesting how our sample with 33 people has none of E-V32, no J, T and A-derived we have is pretty much A1b1-M118?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espoir View Post
    I will once I get to my computer. That African admixture S. Cushites have, why does it look like it's contributor had an mixed ancestry and you guys is a single ancestry that is Dinka-like?

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    What do you guys have to say about both paternal andaternal haplogroups?
    The South Cushites when they moved south probably intermixed with the local hunter gatherers while Somalis are direct almost undiluted descendants of the proto-cushitics and the reason we remained pure was because the Somali lowlands were probably empty or killed off.Even other cushites in Eritrea,Ethiopia and Kenya minus their Somali populations have hunter gatherer omotic admixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meygaag View Post
    The South Cushites when they moved south probably intermixed with the local hunter gatherers while Somalis are direct almost undiluted descendants of the proto-cushitics and the reason we remained pure was because the Somali lowlands were probably empty or killed off.Even other cushites in Eritrea,Ethiopia and Kenya minus their Somali populations have hunter gatherer omotic admixture.
    Ok! And how comes This "Luxmanda" has same percentage of "Natufian" ancestry like you guys if the admixture they have was acquired later? I think contributors of their African admixture is different from yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espoir View Post
    Ok! And how comes This "Luxmanda" has same percentage of "Natufian" ancestry like you guys if the admixture they have was acquired later? I think contributors of their African admixture is different from yours.

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    Well Somalis are still more Eurasian than Luxmanda considering Somalis also have an additional 4-5% Iran_N ancestry.



    As for how they maintained their Natufian levels while decreasing their Dinka-like component is a mystery to me.Oromos also have a similiar amount of Natufian to Somalis but with less Dinka-like admixture and significant omotic admixture.Perhaps south cushites left the Horn genetically ore like the Borana (hg admixed) and not like the Somalis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mpatsibihugu View Post
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    All Y-dna and mt-dna are from 23andme customers from Burundi, Rwanda and Uganda.

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    Interesting.
    Tutsi Y-DNA seems to be a mixed bag of South Cushitic (E-M293), probably Nilotic (E-M54 & A-M13) and 'Bantu' (E-M2*).
    Tutsi Mt-DNA seems to be overwhelmingly 'East African' (Mostly Cushitic with some Nilotic haplogroups).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meygaag View Post
    undiluted descendants of the proto-cushitics
    There is no such thing.

    If anything Luxmanda would the 'proto-cushitic' since her DNA is like 2000yo or 'mota' perhaps. Those could be used to draw theories. Unless you can provide an equally old DNA from the horn of your 'people' or the so-called 'pure' cushites to prove what your saying, I will consider your statement as pure speculation.

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    The Belgians were right all along.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Hand View Post
    Interesting.
    Tutsi Y-DNA seems to be a mixed bag of South Cushitic (E-M293), probably Nilotic (E-M54 & A-M13) and 'Bantu' (E-M2*).
    Tutsi Mt-DNA seems to be overwhelmingly 'East African' (Mostly Cushitic with some Nilotic haplogroups).
    Ethiopians and Kenyan Afro-Asiatic groups have some A. So you can never be certain whether they got it from an Afro-Asiatic or Nilo-Saharan community. Ultimately A is Nilo-Saharan, but whether it was given to the Tutsi/Hema directly from a Nilotic source cannot be certain.

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