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    This just confirms that Somalis are the only cushitic ethnic group that lacks HG ancestry just like our proto-cushitic forefathers did in North Africa.

    The Kenyan sample that seems to be 10% more Eurasian than Somalis is very interesting.The Somalis and other East Cushitic groups (Oromos,Rendille etc) might have originated further south (Northern Kenya,Southern Ethiopia & Southern Somalia) and reexpanded North.This might explain why Somalis and pure Oromos are 10% less Eurasian than these ancient Cushitic pastoralists.I'm also still waiting to see a T-M184 ancient cushitic sample.
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    Quite an interesting run. Here, I'm being modeled 59% and my brother 65% Kenyan PN(considering this individual is ~100% Somali). I'm only using Somali because the online version of the program has not been updated yet with these new samples. I will share them with you guys once the update comes.
    PIA is like Datooga.

    "sample": "Custom:Espoir_scaled",
    "fit": 2.9327,
    "Somali": 59.17,
    "Dinka": 28.33,
    "TZA_Pemba_600BP": 9.17,
    "ZAF_2100BP": 3.33,


    "sample": "Custom:My brother_scaled",
    "fit": 3.1989,
    "Somali": 65,
    "Dinka": 22.5,
    "TZA_Pemba_600BP": 8.33,
    "ZAF_2100BP": 4.17,

    "sample": "Custom:KEN_Pastoral_IAI12381",
    "fit": 1.7276,
    "Somali": 70,
    "Dinka": 29.17,
    "ZAF_2100BP": 0.83,
    "TZA_Pemba_600BP": 0,

    "sample": "Custom:KEN_Pastoral_NI12384",
    "fit": 2.5622,
    "Somali": 99.17,
    "ZAF_2100BP": 0.83,
    "Dinka": 0,
    "TZA_Pemba_600BP": 0,

    I had a feeling that we might be descendants of the Iron age pastoralist (PIA) that mixed with Bantus but it doesn't seems likely.
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    Using Tanzania PN

    "sample": "Custom:Espoir_scaled",
    "fit": 2.3959,
    "TZN_PN": 51.67,
    "Sudanese": 39.17,
    "TZA_Pemba_600BP": 6.67,
    "TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP": 2.5,

    Using Kenyan PN

    "sample": "Custom:Espoir_scaled",
    "fit": 2.6122,
    "KEN_Pastoral_N": 53.33,
    "Sudanese": 36.67,
    "TZA_Pemba_600BP": 8.33,
    "TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP": 1.67,

    Using Kenyan PN Elmenteitan

    "sample": "Custom:Espoir_scaled",
    "fit": 2.8088,
    "KEN_Pastoral_N_Elmenteitan": 51.67,
    "Sudanese": 38.33,
    "TZA_Pemba_600BP": 8.33,
    "TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP": 1.67

    using Early Kenyan PN


    {
    "sample": "Custom:Espoir_scaled",
    "fit": 2.5834,
    "Sudanese": 50,
    "KEN_Early_Pastoral_N": 41.67,
    "TZA_Pemba_600BP": 7.5,
    "TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP": 0.83

    It's interesting how these three Pastoralists are coming out. Here I'm pretty much like Kenyan Pastoral Iron age with additional Bantu admixture of about ~10% and less PN. Which makes us a separate group from Kenyan PIA. I believe at the time of around 1800 b.p we were already on the other side of lake Victoria.
    Another thing is, it's clear that we were affected both by the Nilotic and Bantu expansion. The latter being abvious, since we speak a Bantu language

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    At p=0, distance goes low.

    [
    {
    "sample": "Custom:Espoir_scaled",
    "fit": 1.6504,
    "TZN_PN": 55.83,
    "Sudanese": 29.17,
    "TZA_Pemba_600BP": 14.17,
    "TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP": 0.83,
    "closestDistances": [
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE11: 11.85691",
    "TZN_PN:I13981: 15.09080",
    "TZN_PN:I13979: 15.78786",
    "TZN_PN:I13977: 16.25221",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE1: 16.32917",
    "TZN_PN:I13762: 16.41400",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE2: 16.50845",
    "TZN_PN:I13980: 16.52951",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE5: 16.62550",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE14: 16.75629",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE7: 16.80574",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE12: 16.88786",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE15: 16.89781",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE6: 16.98248",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE10: 17.11482",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE18: 17.29822",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE9: 17.42158",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE8: 17.52948",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE4: 17.68428",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE3: 19.83614",
    "TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP:I0589: 22.08858",
    "TZA_Pemba_600BP:I2298: 23.84502"
    ]
    },
    {
    "sample": "Custom:Peter_scaled",
    "fit": 1.8608,
    "TZN_PN": 59.17,
    "TZA_Pemba_600BP": 23.33,
    "Sudanese": 12.5,
    "TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP": 5,
    "closestDistances": [
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE11: 13.17474",
    "TZN_PN:I13981: 13.95234",
    "TZN_PN:I13979: 14.69692",
    "TZN_PN:I13977: 15.08423",
    "TZN_PN:I13762: 15.24055",
    "TZN_PN:I13980: 15.32777",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE1: 17.68510",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE5: 17.90320",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE2: 17.90955",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE14: 18.08675",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE7: 18.13679",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE12: 18.14495",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE15: 18.24132",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE6: 18.27068",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE10: 18.36021",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE18: 18.58542",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE9: 18.65385",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE8: 18.84255",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE4: 19.01082",
    "Sudanese:SUDANESE3: 21.10916",
    "TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP:I0589: 22.25957",
    "TZA_Pemba_600BP:I2298: 24.91671"
    ]
    }
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    "sample": "Custom:Espoir_scaled",
    "fit": 2.1538,
    "Dinka": 60,
    "Levant_Natufian": 24.17,
    "KEN_LSA": 6.67,
    "Mandenka": 6.67,

    "ETH_4500BP": 1.67,
    "ZAF_2100BP": 0.83,
    "MWI_Fingira_2500BP": 0,
    "Yoruba": 0,

    Two things stick out. Picking Mandinka instead of Yoruba and no Mota being Detected. Same goes for other HG groups.

    Datog and Masai show Mota ancestry.

    "sample": "CustomatogGOR049",
    "fit": 3.7591,
    "Dinka": 57.5,
    "Levant_Natufian": 29.17,
    "ETH_4500BP": 13.33,
    "KEN_LSA": 0,
    "MWI_Fingira_2500BP": 0,
    "Mandenka": 0,
    "Yoruba": 0,
    "ZAF_2000BP": 0,

    "sample": "Custom:MasaiNA21400",
    "fit": 3.2747,
    "Dinka": 66.67,
    "Levant_Natufian": 21.67,
    "ETH_4500BP": 11.67,
    "KEN_LSA": 0,
    "MWI_Fingira_2500BP": 0,
    "Mandenka": 0,
    "Yoruba": 0,
    "ZAF_2000BP": 0,

    Amhara and Somali individual is showing some too

    "sample": "Custom:Ethiopian_AmharaAMHARA11",
    "fit": 4.5722,
    "Levant_Natufian": 53.33,
    "Dinka": 35.83,
    "ETH_4500BP": 10.83,
    "KEN_LSA": 0,
    "MWI_Fingira_2500BP": 0,
    "Mandenka": 0,
    "Yoruba": 0,
    "ZAF_2000BP": 0,

    sample": "Custom:SomaliAyodo_69S",
    "fit": 3.6871,
    "Dinka": 52.5,
    "Levant_Natufian": 40.83,
    "ETH_4500BP": 6.67,
    "KEN_LSA": 0,
    "MWI_Fingira_2500BP": 0,
    "Mandenka": 0,
    "Yoruba": 0,
    "ZAF_2000BP": 0,

    sample": "Custom:SomaliSOMALI13",
    "fit": 4.8695,
    "Dinka": 50,
    "Levant_Natufian": 44.17,
    "ETH_4500BP": 5.83,
    "KEN_LSA": 0,
    "MWI_Fingira_2500BP": 0,
    "Mandenka": 0,
    "Yoruba": 0,
    "ZAF_2000BP": 0,

    Let’s have a look at these ancient samples

    sample": "Custom:KEN_Pastoral_IAI12379",
    "fit": 3.4996,
    "Dinka": 55.83,
    "Levant_Natufian": 22.5,
    "ETH_4500BP": 21.67,
    "KEN_LSA": 0,
    "MWI_Fingira_2500BP": 0,
    "Mandenka": 0,
    "Yoruba": 0,
    "ZAF_2000BP": 0,

    sample": "Custom:KEN_Pastoral_NI8920",
    "fit": 5.573,
    "Levant_Natufian": 40.83,
    "Dinka": 35.83,
    "ETH_4500BP": 23.33,
    "KEN_LSA": 0,
    "MWI_Fingira_2500BP": 0,
    "Mandenka": 0,
    "Yoruba": 0,
    "ZAF_2000BP": 0,
    "sample": "Custom:KEN_Pastoral_N_ElmenteitanI10719",
    "fit": 6.355,
    "Levant_Natufian": 44.17,
    "Dinka": 43.33,
    "ETH_4500BP": 12.5,
    "KEN_LSA": 0,
    "MWI_Fingira_2500BP": 0,
    "Mandenka": 0,
    "Yoruba": 0,
    "ZAF_2000BP": 0,
    All are showing Mota ancestry at differing levels. Mine is barely 1%, instead, LSA is picked. From a sample a have of Tutsis from different regions, there is fluctuation between LSA and Mota. Individuals show btwn 3-10 of one of two clusters. However, it very clear that the biggest contributor of the East African ancestry is Dinka-like. I was expecting great similarity, in terms of HG, with other pastoralists, but it doesnt seem to be the case.
    I’m puzzled by this.
    Note: KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS NOT GROUPS AVERAGES.

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    The Somalis don't have any paleolithic Horner ancestry which is why the pure Somali has the worst fit of all the modern groups you posted (4.8)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlessedbyHorus View Post
    The bolded could explain the ancestral Cushite influence. Anyways, I looked up your ethnic group and I see that you guys are also called "Tutsi Congolese" how true is that?
    Banyamulenge and Bahima share clans names with Tutsi. So they are the same people, but it can be confusing when you call a Hima or a Munyamulenge a Tutsi. Those who are not familiar with Banyamulenge, here is one wedding YouTube video of Banyamulenge from RDC:

    https://youtu.be/XIkfXfm8liU

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