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    Quote Originally Posted by Ether View Post
    Most Bantus from countries like Kenya and Tanzania (especially North Tanzania) have admixture from Eastern hunter-gatherers and Nilotics. Those lineages were still mainly spread by enslaved populations from the Swahili coast and not from ancient migrations into Arabia.
    I'm not talking about ancient migrations of Africans into the Gulf Peninsula. I'm talking about the Indian Ocean trade.
    Why would Gulf Arab men let their slaves have Gulf Arab women for wives?
    Swahili traders and sailors set sail for many lands across the Indian Ocean. This is a fact. Many of them also got rich.
    Which men are more likely to pass their Y-DNA? An African male slave that had his balls cut off? Or a Swahili trader and sailor settling down in the Gulf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Hand View Post
    I'm not talking about ancient migrations of Africans into the Gulf Peninsula. I'm talking about the Indian Ocean trade.
    Why would Gulf Arab men let their slaves have Gulf Arab women for wives?
    Swahili traders and sailors set sail for many lands across the Indian Ocean. This is a fact. Many of them also got rich.
    Which men are more likely to pass their Y-DNA? An African male slave that had his balls cut off? Or a Swahili trader and sailor settling down in the Gulf?
    Traders tend not to leave big genetic traces. There is strong evidence that most of the traders traveling between the Swahili coast and Arabia and India were Gujarati, not even SSA or Arab.

    Another thing, you find these SSA markers in rural plantation regions of Arabia / Iraq not known for having hosted traders.

    You have to accept that +90-95% came from enslaved people. The Arab World had a bigger slave trade than the Americas and nobody argues for Yoruba traders going to Mexico when E-M2 is found in Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ether View Post
    Traders tend not to leave big genetic traces.
    I know. That's why very few Gulf Arab men have SSA Y-DNA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ether View Post
    There is strong evidence that most of the traders traveling between the Swahili coast and Arabia and India were Gujarati, not even SSA or Arab.
    BS. Many peoples that made their home on the Indian Ocean coast travelled and traded upon it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ether View Post
    Another thing, you find these SSA markers in rural plantation regions of Arabia / Iraq not known for having hosted traders.
    So what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ether View Post
    You have to accept that +90-95% came from enslaved people.
    When most had their balls cut off!? Try again.

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    The Arab World had a bigger slave trade than the Americas and nobody argues for Yoruba traders going to Mexico when E-M2 is found in Mexico.
    Yet again you show your ignorance.
    1. The MENA and Trans-Atlantic slave trades were about equal in the amount of enslaved people. It's just that the MENA slave trade lasted longer.
    2. Slavers in the Americas didn't castrate their male slaves.
    3. The Trans-Atlantic slave had more male slaves than females while the MENA slave trade was the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Game Theory View Post
    How did Arab males today end up with E-M2 and it comes from slaves supposedly? Why would Arabs slave traders get black males and mate them with Arab women? There is a reason that SSA mtDNA far outnumbers any small amount of SSA Y DNA and it precedes the slave trade (African Y DNA)
    Quote Originally Posted by Game Theory View Post
    Evidence?
    Two things here: First, Yes, most of the African ancestry in the Middle East is prehistoric and has nothing to do with slavery. Second, the idea that most Afrcian slaves were castrated has no evidence whatsoever in history. The most fanous group of African slave soldiers were the Abd in Morocco, and they were married at the age of 15 with Black girls aged 12 for the sake of providing a constant supply of soldiers.

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