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    All races have diabetes, but one race in particular blows out of the water all of the other races in terms of diabetes prevalence. To find out which race that is, you need to click on the actual science link and look at Table 1. This is explicit clickbait, because otherwise you won't look at actual science. Deal with it.

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    I believe that throughout history, food was designed to give maximum gain to keep up with the work effort. As foods began to be cultivated and farms produced animal foods it became more and more easy to obtain food. With more food processing the worse things got. Mechanized work redyced output of humans and now we see robotics begining to eliminate even more work yet we are still eating fat filled, processed food. No matter what race or ethnic background you happen to be, you dont work near as hard as your ancestors did to maintain food and shelter. Answer to the problem? We need to get off our fat asses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opie View Post
    I believe that throughout history, food was designed to give maximum gain to keep up with the work effort. As foods began to be cultivated and farms produced animal foods it became more and more easy to obtain food. With more food processing the worse things got. Mechanized work redyced output of humans and now we see robotics begining to eliminate even more work yet we are still eating fat filled, processed food. No matter what race or ethnic background you happen to be, you dont work near as hard as your ancestors did to maintain food and shelter. Answer to the problem? We need to get off our fat asses
    I 100% agree. I do believe that like most things, there is a genetic and racial component to who is more or less likely to have certain diseases, but at the end of the day the fact is that most people in the west (regardless of race) are just lazy and fat. Different cultures and even classes tend to eat different types of food, for sure, but I think that overeating in general and lack of movement are the main factors now.

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    African-Americans are not representative of all Black Africans.

    They are a selected population that underwent evolutionary pressures during slavery and are now exposed to the unhealthy American diet and often live in so-called ''food deserts'' (areas with high concentration of fast food).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ether View Post
    African-Americans are not representative of all Black Africans.

    They are a selected population that underwent evolutionary pressures during slavery and are now exposed to the unhealthy American diet and often live in so-called ''food deserts'' (areas with high concentration of fast food).

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    I thought I could bait you into clicking on the link and looking at the actual science, but that failed, and you are wrong about which race has the highest rate of type 2 diabetes. It is a different topic, but the "food desert" hypothesis is just bad science. It is a hypothesis based on a single correlation alone, and the hypothesis falls apart in light of other correlations. Blacks who do not live in food deserts still buy junk food (at supermarkets) and still have a higher rate of type 2 diabetes (not the highest). Fad science has oversized political influence, because the criticisms are never a fad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApostateAbe View Post
    I thought I could bait you into clicking on the link and looking at the actual science, but that failed, and you are wrong about which race has the highest rate of type 2 diabetes. It is a different topic, but the "food desert" hypothesis is just bad science. It is a hypothesis based on a single correlation alone, and the hypothesis falls apart in light of other correlations. Blacks who do not live in food deserts still buy junk food (at supermarkets) and still have a higher rate of type 2 diabetes (not the highest). Fad science has oversized political influence, because the criticisms are never a fad.
    I'm piggybacking off what you said here about the food desert hypothesis. I think that Americans in general have a lazy view of health. I do believe that there is data that shows that lower income people tend to eat more fast food and junk food on average (either because they don't have access to higher quality food, or because the healthier food is more expensive). However, what I don't understand about those beliefs is that they still don't address the quantity of food being consumed, and how the amount of calories being consumed (not just the nutritional content of the food) contributes to obesity. Even if you eat at McDonald's every single night for dinner, there is absolutley no reason that you need to have 24oz sodas, multiple burgers, and huge portions of fries. A quarter-pounder at McDonald's only has 417 calories, a filet-o-fish has 379 calories, and a McChicken has 357 calories. Even just a regular cheeseburger there only has 313 calories. You could easily just order a water to go with your dinner, and skip the fries (either givem away, or just don't eat so many of them). Is eating junk all of the time healthy? No, but if you aren't pigging out all of the time you won't gain so much weight and gain the health problems that come with it.

    I know that this thread is supposed to be about diabetes, but I believe I read before that being obese is a precursor for almost 80% or so of type-2 diabetes cases. I think that we can all agree that being obese causes and/or exasperates a lot of health conditions, and one of the easiest ways to prevent obesity is to not consume so many calories.

    Again, it's not the epitome of peak nutrition or flavor, but most struggling people in the U.S. can make it to a Wal-Mart once in awhile to buy some rice, beans, canned tuna, and canned veggies. It's still a lot healthier than pigging out on junk all of the time.
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    Obesity is an important contributor to type 2 diabetes. The prevalence of diabetes was the highest in those of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Central American, and Dominican descent (6.2%-19.4%). The obesity highest prevalence rate was reported among Puerto Ricans (40.9%), Dominicans (38.6%) and Mexicans (36.8%), which shows that there is a clear correlation between the prevalence of diabetes and the obesity prevalence rate. To make matters worse for Hispanic Americans, they often lack health insurance, which has been associated with higher rates of microvascular complications.

    The lowest obesity prevalence rates are reported among Korean (2.8%) and Chinese (4.2%). Vietnamese and Japanese have obesity prevalence rates of 5.3% and 8.7%, respectively, where Asian Indians have one of the lowest obesity prevalence rates (6.0%), although they have one of the highest prevalence rates of type 2 diabetes [1]. The highest obesity prevalence rates are reported to be 14.1% among Filipinos (14.0%) and other Asian and Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islanders (12.5%) [39]. The high prevalence of type 2 diabetes in certain Asian subgroups despite a lower prevalence of obesity compared to NHW populations is related to the higher degree of visceral adiposity at a given body mass index (BMI) and/or waist circumference compared to NHWs [1].

    Among Hispanic Americans, a recent study found that the overall prevalence of obesity was 36.5% but, as in Asian subpopulations, there was some variability depending on the country of origin. The obesity highest prevalence rate was reported among Puerto Ricans (40.9%), Dominicans (38.6%) and Mexicans (36.8%). Similar prevalence rates of obesity were reported in Cubans (33.6%) and Central Americas (32.7%), whereas South Americans had the lowest obesity prevalence (26.8%) [6].
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    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiB View Post
    Again, it's not the epitome of peak nutrition or flavor, but most struggling people in the U.S. can make it to a Wal-Mart once in awhile to buy some rice, beans, canned tuna, and canned veggies. It's still a lot healthier than pigging out on junk all of the time.
    Yeah except what is stereotypically healthy is not necessarily actually healthy. Lima beans contain a high concentration of cyanogenic glycosides, which are a precursor of cyanide, so that about 400 grams of cooked lima beans (wet weight) yields a potentially lethal dose of hydrogen cyanide (http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...=1#post1379260). Also Tony Mitra found that Canadian lentils and chickpeas contain an extremely high concentration of glyphosate, because they are sprayed with glyphosate before harvesting (https://www.tonu.org/2017/06/15/glyp...nd-wheat-bran/). In 1990, Bruce Ames estimated that Americans consume about 1.5 grams of plant-produced natural pesticides per person per day, and he said that out of 52 natural pesticides which had been tested in high-dose animal cancer tests at the time, 27 were considered carcinogenic (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...01044-0440.pdf). Vegetables taste bad because they're full of antinutrients.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdTerm View Post
    The obesity highest prevalence rate was reported among Puerto Ricans (40.9%)
    The text you quoted says that Puerto Ricans had the highest prevalence of obesity "among Hispanic Americans", not among Americans as a whole. The paragraph before the paragraphs you quoted says that in another study, in the U.S. in 2009-2010, non-Hispanic blacks had the highest prevalence of age-adjusted obesity (49.5%), but that study didn't include Native Americans as a distinct racial category.

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    Mexicans and other Latin Americans have a higher risk of diabetes because of a Neanderthal gene mutation, researchers say.

    These findings could uncover new targets for diabetes drugs, investigators added.

    An international team of researchers focused on Type 2 diabetes, the most common form of the disease, accounting for 90 percent to 95 percent of diabetes cases in humans. In Type 2 diabetes, the body either does not generate enough insulin or its cells ignore the molecule. Insulin is a hormone the body needs in order to use sugar for energy.

    The scientists investigated the genetic basis of Type 2 diabetes in Mexican and other Latin American populations, where the disease is roughly twice as common as it is in white, non-Hispanic populations in the United States.
    https://www.livescience.com/42278-ne...-diabetes.html


    They also found genes associated with certain diseases came from Neanderthals, including type 2 diabetes, depression and the autoimmune disorders lupus, billiary cirrhosis and Crohn's disease.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...abetes/357517/

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    Epidemiological related studies are not something I am familiar with, but for anyone here who is, how do these findings fit within the 'Hispanic Paradox" that I've always come across?

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