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    Default What were the African ancestors of Aframs doing during the time of Ancient Egypt?

    According to the Unesco General History of Africa they were Stone Age cave dwellers:


    "The early food-producing peoples of the West African forest region (the so-called Guinea Neolithic) occupied rock shelters and caves as well as open-air sites. Examples of shelters are Yengema, Kamabai and Yagal, all in Sierra Leone, Kakimbon, Blande and Monkey Caves in Guinea; Bosumpra in Ghana; and Iwo Eleru and Ukpa in Nigeria.

    At Kamabai the Neolithic (Stone Age) levels span a period from 2500 BC to 340 AD. In the north central region of Upper Volta, the same type of industry has been dated to between 1650 BC and 1000 AD."

    (p.605-607, Vol.2)


    Kind of ironic really.


    Regarding physical anthropology it says the following:

    "Unfortunately our knowledge of the physical nature of the inhabitants of sub-Saharan Africa is very limited. In West Africa there were certainly peoples who possessed some physical features similar to the present-day inhabitants of the area as early as the tenth millennium before our era (Iwo-Eluru in Nigeria) and have been termed 'proto-Negroes'."

    (p.534, Vol.2)

    If 'proto-Negroes' existed 10,000 years ago does that mean Negroes are a more recent development? And what might these 'proto-Negroes' have looked like?


    "Reanalysis of the 13,000-year-old skull from a cave in West Africa reveals a skull more primitive-looking than its age suggests. The result suggests that the ancestors of early humans did not die out quickly in Africa, but instead lived alongside their descendents and bred with them until comparatively recently. The skull, found in the Iwo Eleru cave in Nigeria in 1965, does not look like a modern human.

    "[The skull] has got a much more primitive appearance, even though it is only 13,000 years old," said Chris Stringer, from London's Natural History Museum, who was part of the team of researchers.

    "This suggests that human evolution in Africa was more complex... the transition to modern humans was not a straight transition and then a cut off.” […]

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14947363


    Who can confirm?


    At least Aframs have some connection to Ancient Egypt via their c.20% European ancestry, as Europeans are much more closely related to Ancient Egyptians than West Africans and Aframs are. That's something at least.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YnSYvhSeyI&t=5m58s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reason1234 View Post
    According to the Unesco General History of Africa they were Stone Age cave dwellers:


    "The early food-producing peoples of the West African forest region (the so-called Guinea Neolithic) occupied rock shelters and caves as well as open-air sites. Examples of shelters are Yengema, Kamabai and Yagal, all in Sierra Leone, Kakimbon, Blande and Monkey Caves in Guinea; Bosumpra in Ghana; and Iwo Eleru and Ukpa in Nigeria.

    At Kamabai the Neolithic (Stone Age) levels span a period from 2500 BC to 340 AD. In the north central region of Upper Volta, the same type of industry has been dated to between 1650 BC and 1000 AD."

    (p.605-607, Vol.2)


    Kind of ironic really.


    Regarding physical anthropology it says the following:

    "Unfortunately our knowledge of the physical nature of the inhabitants of sub-Saharan Africa is very limited. In West Africa there were certainly peoples who possessed some physical features similar to the present-day inhabitants of the area as early as the tenth millennium before our era (Iwo-Eluru in Nigeria) and have been termed 'proto-Negroes'."

    (p.534, Vol.2)

    If 'proto-Negroes' existed 10,000 years ago does that mean Negroes are a more recent development? And what might these 'proto-Negroes' have looked like?


    "Reanalysis of the 13,000-year-old skull from a cave in West Africa reveals a skull more primitive-looking than its age suggests. The result suggests that the ancestors of early humans did not die out quickly in Africa, but instead lived alongside their descendents and bred with them until comparatively recently. The skull, found in the Iwo Eleru cave in Nigeria in 1965, does not look like a modern human.

    "[The skull] has got a much more primitive appearance, even though it is only 13,000 years old," said Chris Stringer, from London's Natural History Museum, who was part of the team of researchers.

    "This suggests that human evolution in Africa was more complex... the transition to modern humans was not a straight transition and then a cut off.” […]

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14947363


    Who can confirm?


    At least Aframs have some connection to Ancient Egypt via their c.20% European ancestry, as Europeans are much more closely related to Ancient Egyptians than West Africans and Aframs are. That's something at least.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YnSYvhSeyI&t=5m58s
    So now that you know that the Africans in question weren't in the areas you believe they were, aren't you gonna take a guess as to where they were? You've seen the Shum laka Pre-Abstract... Bantus weren't even in the bantu homeland a couple hundred years prior to when they supposedly expanded from there. You not gonna take a crack at it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    Depends which prehistoric North Africa you mean. There's a preprint here saying that Neolithic North Africans (you know, the ones who replaced the hunter-gatherers there), were fully West Eurasian. Makes sense.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/09/21/191569

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    Proud to be of Black African descent!! And proud of being of a tribal background!







    Shout out to the roots!


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    You guy's seem MORE obsessed with Ancient Egypt than the so called "Afrocentrics."


    More importantly West Africa was populated in different timeline waves. Not only are West Africans not monolithic but during that time coastal West Africa was sparsely populated.

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    Also SPEAKING of "proto-Negros" since you guys love Egypt so much.


    Nazlet Khater man was the earliest modern human skeleton found near Luxor, in 1980. The remains was dated from between 35,000 and 30,000 years ago. The report regarding the racial affinity of this skeleton concludes: "Strong alveolar prognathism combined with fossa praenasalis in an African skull is suggestive of Negroid morphology [form & structure]. The radio-humeral index of Nazlet Khater is practically the same as the mean of Taforalt (76.6). According to Ferembach (1965) this value is near to the Negroid average." The burial was of a young man of 17-20 years old, whose skeleton lay in a 160cm- long narrow ditch aligned from east to west. A flint tool, which was laid carefully on the bottom of the grave, dates the burial as contemporaneous with a nearby flint quarry. The morphological features of the Nazlet Khater skeleton were analysed by Thoma (1984). The 35,000 year old skeleton was examined using multivariate statistical procedures. In the first part, principal components analysis is performed on a dataset of mandible dimensions of 220 fossils, sub-fossils and modern specimens, ranging in time from the Late Pleistocene to recent and restricted in space to the African continent and Southern Levant.
    ---Thoma A., Morphology and Affinities of the Nazlet Khater Man; Journal of Human Evolution, vol. 13, 1984

    I'm just using yall arguments against yall since yall state "negroids" are recent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlessedbyHorus View Post
    Also SPEAKING of "proto-Negros" since you guys love Egypt so much.


    ---Thoma A., Morphology and Affinities of the Nazlet Khater Man; Journal of Human Evolution, vol. 13, 1984

    I'm just using yall arguments against yall since yall state "negroids" are recent.
    Yeah, and that's why we all learned once we got into this stuff Typology is bullocks.

    Weren't the Natufians fairly Negroid, morphologically speaking ? How did that work out? They were as differentiated from sub-Saharan groups as Karelian Hunter Gatherers. lol


    Not to mention, once we get that far back in time the predictive power of craniofacial patterns is almost totally worthless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Hades View Post
    Yeah, and that's why we all learned once we got into this stuff Typology is bullocks.

    Weren't the Natufians fairly Negroid, morphologically speaking ? How did that work out? They were as differentiated from sub-Saharan groups as Karelian Hunter Gatherers. lol


    Not to mention, once we get that far back in time the predictive power of craniofacial patterns is almost totally worthless.
    This is what the OP posted.
    If 'proto-Negroes' existed 10,000 years ago does that mean Negroes are a more recent development? And what might these 'proto-Negroes' have looked like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlessedbyHorus View Post
    You guy's seem MORE obsessed with Ancient Egypt than the so called "Afrocentrics."
    I mean Europeans made dozens of movies about AE putting themselves in their position, spreading propaganda and pretending they're the same people.

    But one random African-American dude makes a post on an online forum and ALL of them are somehow obsessed lol.

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    Unless your literally royalty, 90%+ of your ancestors were most likely either illiterate farmers if you come from a land with a long history of sedentary civilization, or some form of hunter gatherer/nomadic herder if you belong to a people without a history of sedentary civilization. It's really only in the last couple centuries that any of us can probably say that most of our ancestors did something more significant than farming, which is why pride in your ancient forefathers has always seemed misplaced to me, we are most likely descendant from farmers or serfs, not Kings or Queens.

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    Africans were doing the same thing in Africa circa the First Dynasty of Egypt (and before) that Europeans were doing in Europe? i.e. living the good life as a lot of pastoralists?!

    Egyptian civilization is as old as the civilization of Sumeria; at the very least both of these penultimate, ancient cultures are at least 5,000 years old.
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