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Thread: Please point where Christianity advocates savagery, genocide, murder, and rape..27 days old

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reason1234 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    Depends which prehistoric North Africa you mean. There's a preprint here saying that Neolithic North Africans (you know, the ones who replaced the hunter-gatherers there), were fully West Eurasian. Makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reason1234 View Post
    Beyoku points out the reality that the bible was written by people in the middle east from their perspective and blacks basically don't feature. They're only descended from Noah if they have eurasian ancestry (i.e. the afro-asiatic africans) and otherwise they might not even be descended from Adam.
    The bible is God inspired, and none of what he said was on topic nor relevant to the OP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by a_garcia49 View Post
    Some quoted passages detailing New Testament condoning of slavery, which constitutes savagery by extent.
    Sorry, the NT does not condone slavery

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    8 Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, 10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[b] doctrine, 11 in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.


    Our definition of slavery and how it was here and what it was in the bible are not the same. It never tells Christians to go out and enslave people


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    Colossians 3:22-25 Alone would keep me away from embodying Christianity as a just doctrine... That being said... If you know that you're immovable within your faith why make this thread? Nothing said here in contrary to your believe will resonate with you. Posting a contradiction (Which the NT has a lot of... being the less competently assembled portion) doesn't erase what was said elsewhere in the tome. If you can look at the aforementioned passage and not see the implications AND applications of a verse like that and how it can and have lead to the long term detriment of people you're related too then this thread is pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    Depends which prehistoric North Africa you mean. There's a preprint here saying that Neolithic North Africans (you know, the ones who replaced the hunter-gatherers there), were fully West Eurasian. Makes sense.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/09/21/191569

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozrage View Post
    I believe that the ones who find Jesus will understand then that no man is above him or below him. No one has authority over you or is a barrier betwen you and Jesus. Only his name shall set you free and I would say it's truly an anti-authoritarian belief. It was hi-jacked and the old barriers was put in place as popes, priests, churches etc.

    I don't go to church for the entire earth is god's temple. Jesus tore the last one down, and resurrected it in himself. No true christianity is not savage.
    lol, who are you and what have you done to Ozrage? You used to be like the most atheist member on this forum, second only to @DracoSentien .

    Anyway, technically speaking, Christianity is actually a radical pacificist religion. All the warfare and genocides Christians did in the past, that was just Europeans being being Europeans; they were just doing their thing. I mean if you think about it, the conquest of the New World was no different than when the proto-Indo-Europeans expanded into the rest of Europe. WHG are no longer around in their pure, unmixed form because of the Yamnaya migrations, and modern Europeans are basically "mestizos" or "triethnic" (ENF, WHG and ANE).

    And the pagan Romans basically carried out genocidal acts on the Celts/Gauls (which is why the French today no longer speak a Celtic language).

    So this notion that everything was fine and dandy between Europeans and then Christianity came along and made Europeans warlike and genocidal, that's just delusional leftist lies and propaganda.

    Just because Islam is a genocidal religion, doesn't mean Christianity is. Christianity was founded by a Jewish carpenter who died as a pacifist and probably never had any sexual relationships with women either. Islam was founded by an Arab warlord who had 40 wives. Doesn't matter if Jesus and Muhammed even existed or not; that's how their religious scriptures depict them; that's how their religious followers believe they were and to emulate their behavior, viewing them as the perfect role models and so on.

    So obviously, with that in mind, what you get when you autistically follow Christianity, is something like the Amish, whereas with Islam, you get ISIS, which is basically the most faithful and accurate version of Islam the modern world has seen so far.

    Another thing is that most European Christian warfare was basically in self-defence against militant Muslims (Jihad). Most European Christian soldiers back then were illiterate, so they had no idea what Jesus said about "those who live by the sword, die by the sword" and similar Christian pacificist rhetoric.
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    Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reason1234 View Post
    Ethiopian jews are descended from non-black middle-easterners. Let's say they're descended from the tribe of Dan, that doesn't mean the tribe of Dan was originally black.
    Ethiopian Jews are genetically similiar to the other ethnic groups in the Ethiopian highlands.In fact they are paternally mostly indigenous to Africa as they have a very high percentage of haplogroup A

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaM View Post
    There's off course a general syncretic element in Christianity, but that applies to protestant traditions as well, such as the Christmas tradition. Christianity in general, whether protestant or Catholic, always uses a form of bible, with old and new testament. The bible, as we know it, is a Catholic construction. It is not purely Christian, because that would just be the Gospels (the words of Jesus). Those cannot stand alone, since Christianity needs the fulfillment of prophecies as an argument of validity, or so the story goes. That said, apparently the core argument is the resurrection, it's seen as a proof of the divinity of Jesus. Of course Jesus did not advocate murder, but what does it matter when his followers do? Do the Christians not represent Christianity?
    Most Christians obviously don't represent Christianity. And that's because Christianity as an ideology, goes against human nature. Technically speaking, Islam ia far more in line with human nature: kill your enemies, rape and impregnate their women. And for most of history, that was pretty much the norm. Whenever a tribe lost a war in the Middle East, all their men were slaughtered and then their women had to give birth to the victorious tribe. I can only imagine the proto-Indo-Europeans did the same thing in their conquest of Europe, to an even greater degree, which would explain the very high rates of R1a and R1b all over Europe.

    Anyway, what mainstream thinkers like Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris haven't understood about Christianity, ia that Christianity is basically human domestication. Before Christianity, tribal warfare was the norm, and both war and crime were completely normal, and people believed there were gods for pretty much everything.

    Then Christianity came along and it took a very long time before people could read at the literacy rates we have today. Paper wasn't even invented until hundreds of years after Constantine declared Christianity as the official religion of the Byzantine Empire. So obviously things had to go on as they always had been: slacery and warfare. Especially after Islam was founded. Arabs never had a beef with anyone before Islam, in fact, Arabs were always isolated in their peninsula, and no imperial nation bothered with conquering the Arabs, because the region was basically just sand and lizards.

    Anyway point is, the golden rule really isn't human nature. We're a violent monkey, just look at chimps:

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    ^^ We basically evolved from these creatures. Obviously we're much more intelligent and sophisticated than chimps, but there's still a lot of them in humans, and Islam is much more animal-like in its rules and laws. One Muslim man being allowed to have four wives for example, that's a very similar lifestyle to lions. In Christianity, it's monogamy or the highway.

    That said, because Christianity is incompatible with human nature, Christianity is a lot more difficult to follow than Islam. If someone hits you, what's your first reaction? Anger and that you want to hit him back, right? Even in the Gospels, Jesus warns against people who won't follow him properly, so this notion that anyone of a Christian background represents Christianity, that's just not the case. This is also true for Islam by the way: a Muslim who drinks alcohol and eats pork, does not actually represent Islam. On the other hand, if a Muslim kills non-Muslims, then he actually represents Islam, because that's really what Islam is about st the end of the day.

    Christmas and so on, are beside the point. Point is, Christianity has always been about human domestication. Only one wife, no crime, no murder, treat others with kindness and so on. That's what Christianity's about. Of course a lot of people don't live up to that.
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    I don't think it's any diffcult to live with the belief that no earthly man has dominion over you. It's hard to rule over people with pure christianity that is true, it's not what its for. But it's even harder to rule over a true christian, because he will rather die than to do what tyrants commands. Jesus died for his conviction and sacrifice and his apostles got martyred by the jews too. When pressed many jews abandoned their faith and converted rather than to die for it or became crypto-jews. Martin Luther didn't give up his ideals even in front of the king. Luther meant that it was the message and the faith that was the only important thing - not to follow the pope and church directives and rules.

    It did come at a big price however.
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    Islam and Judaism has more similarities than with Christianity, however I don't consider most churches or sects to be christian. Old judaism is desert nomadic dogma pretty similar to islam.
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