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    © Adam Ferguson/The New York Times A US Navy pilot and a weapons system officer from the VFA-11 “Red Rippers” squadron after returning to the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt in the Persian Gulf in 2015. The squadron began noticing strange objects just after the Navy upgraded the radar systems on its F/A-18 fighter planes.

    WASHINGTON — The strange objects, one of them like a spinning top moving against the wind, appeared almost daily from the summer of 2014 to March 2015, high in the skies over the East coast. Navy pilots reported to their superiors that the objects had no visible engine or infrared exhaust plumes but that they could reach 30,000 feet and hypersonic speeds.

    “These things would be out there all day,” said Lieutenant Ryan Graves, an F/A-18 Super Hornet pilot who has been with the Navy for 10 years and who reported his sightings to the Pentagon and Congress. “Keeping an aircraft in the air requires a significant amount of energy. With the speeds we observed, 12 hours in the air is 11 hours longer than we’d expect.”

    In late 2014, a Super Hornet pilot had a near collision with one of the objects, and an official mishap report was filed. Some of the incidents were captured on video, including one taken by a plane’s camera in early 2015 that shows an object zooming over the ocean waves as pilots question what they are watching.

    “Wow, what is that, man?” one exclaims. “Look at it fly!”

    No one in the Defense Department is saying that the objects were extraterrestrial, and experts emphasize that earthly explanations can generally be found for such incidents. Graves and four other Navy pilots, who said in interviews with The New York Times that they saw the objects in 2014 and 2015 in training maneuvers from Virginia to Florida off the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt, make no assertions of their provenance. But the objects have gotten the attention of the Navy, which this year sent out new classified guidance for how to report what the military calls unexplained aerial phenomena, or unidentified flying objects.

    Joseph Gradisher, a Navy spokesman, said the new guidance was an update of instructions that went out to the fleet in 2015, after the Roosevelt incidents.

    “There were a number of different reports,” he said. Some cases could have been commercial drones, he said, but in other cases “we don’t know who’s doing this, we don’t have enough data to track this. So the intent of the message to the fleet is to provide updated guidance on reporting procedures for suspected intrusions into our airspace.”

    The sightings were reported to the Pentagon’s shadowy, little-known Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, which analyzed the radar data, video footage, and accounts provided by senior officers from the Roosevelt. Luis Elizondo, a military intelligence official who ran the program until he resigned in 2017, called the sightings “a striking series of incidents.”

    The program, which began in 2007, was officially shut down in 2012 when the money dried up, according to the Pentagon. But the Navy recently said it investigates military reports of UFOs, and Elizondo and other participants say the program — parts of it remain classified — has continued in other forms. The program has also studied video that shows a whitish oval object described as a giant Tic Tac, about the size of a commercial plane, encountered by two Navy fighter jets off the coast of San Diego in 2004.

    Leon Golub, a senior astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, said the possibility of an extraterrestrial cause “is so unlikely that it competes with many other low-probability but more mundane explanations.” He added that “there are so many other possibilities — bugs in the code for the imaging and display systems, atmospheric effects and reflections, neurological overload from multiple inputs during high-speed flight.”

    Graves still cannot explain what he saw. In the summer of 2014, he and Lieutenant Danny Accoin, another Super Hornet pilot, were part of a squadron, the VFA-11 “Red Rippers” out of Naval Air Station Oceana, Va., that was training for a deployment to the Persian Gulf.

    Graves and Accoin spoke on the record to The Times about the objects. Three other pilots in the squadron also spoke to The Times about the objects but declined to be named.

    The pilots began noticing the objects after their 1980s-era radar was upgraded to a more advanced system. As one fighter jet after another got the new radar, pilots began picking up the objects but ignoring what they thought were false radar tracks.

    But Graves said the objects persisted, showing up at 30,000 feet, 20,000 feet, even sea level. Then pilots began seeing the objects.

    What was strange, the pilots said, was that the video showed objects accelerating to hypersonic speed, making sudden stops and instantaneous turns — something beyond the physical limits of a human crew.

    Asked what they thought the objects were, the pilots refused to speculate.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wo...cts/ar-AABXltD



    This is a sensitive topic.

    I'm glad people in the Navy are picking up these things on their radar and reporting them. They are more believable than the average person. It's always good to have scientific proof.

    Anyone want to add some comments?

    Do you believe the ufo's are from another country invading our airspace?

    From another planet or dimension?

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    Instead of making another thread I'll add this story to here.

    Former Head of Pentagon's Secret UFO Program Has Some (Strange) Stories to Tell
    The former leader of the U.S. government's top-secret UFO program has stories to tell, and he is sharing some of them for the first time in a new documentary.

    Intelligence officer Luis Elizondo served as the former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), an initiative launched in 2007 to study reports of UFO encounters. Elizondo departed the agency in 2011; in 2017, he spoke with reporters at The New York Times, confirming the existence of the shadowy agency and describing its mission.

    Now, Elizondo is pulling back the curtain on his tenure with the AATIP, which he left because of a lackluster official response to the agency's findings, and their unwillingness to address potential risks from UFOs, according to the new show "Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation," premiering May 31 on the History Channel at 10 p.m ET/9 p.m. CT. [UFO Watch: 8 Times the Government Looked for Flying Saucers]

    No, there isn't a big reveal that UFOs were alien spacecraft all along. But delving into long-hidden accounts of UFO investigations will hopefully encourage people — and authorities — to overcome long-standing stigmas and talk more openly about these mysterious aircraft, some of which may pose a bigger threat than we realize, Elizondo told Live Science.

    UFOs have perplexed and fascinated people for decades; they also pose a unique challenge to federal agents trying to determine if they represent a threat to national security. Before AATIP, the U.S. Air Force had launched Project Blue Book, which investigated more than 12,000 purported UFO sightings from 1952 to 1969.

    During Elizondo's tenure at AATIP, observers reported UFOs flying at hypersonic speeds — more than five times the speed of sound. Yet there were none of the signatures that usually accompany aircraft flying at such fantastic speeds, such as sonic booms, he said.

    The UFOs were also unexpectedly mobile, traveling so fast that they would have experienced gravitational forces, or G-forces, that far exceed the limits of endurance for both humans and aircraft. The F-16 Fighting Falcon aircraft, one of the most maneuverable in the U.S.'s arsenal, reaches its limit at around 16 to 18 G's, while the human body can withstand about 9 G's "for a very short time" before a person would start to black out, Elizondo said.

    "These things that we were observing were pulling 400 to 500 G's," he said. "They don't have engines or even wings, and they are able to seemingly defy the natural effects of Earth's gravitational pull."

    Some of the UFO sightings reported to AATIP were eventually resolved, as aerial drones or test firings of new types of missiles that were spotted from an unusual angle. But while many astonishing UFOs still defied explanation, there simply isn't enough evidence to suggest they belonged to extraterrestrials, Elizondo added.

    However, another possibility is even more unsettling than the prospect of an alien invasion: that a foreign adversary had secretly developed technologies that are "strategic game-changers," unlike anything ever seen before, he said. Addressing that potential threat is a necessary step that government officials — even those that supported AATIP — don't take seriously enough, according to Elizondo.

    What's more, the entrenched secrecy shrouding official UFO investigations only reinforces the association of UFOs with "tinfoil hats and ridiculous stories."

    "We trust the American people to know that North Korea has nuclear warheads pointed at Los Angeles, yet we don't trust them with the knowledge that there's something in our skies and we don't know what it is? That seems counterproductive to me," Elizondo said.
    https://www.livescience.com/65596-uf...y-channel.html

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    Another UFO related article.

    UFOs in Virginia Beach? Navy pilots report sightings near Oceana.


    Bill Tiernan | The Virginian-Pilot
    An aerial photo from August 2007 of Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach with the Oceanfront in the background.

    Pilots part of the VFA-11 "Red Rippers" fighter squadron out of Naval Air Station Oceana have begun speaking up about UFOs they claim to have seen from Virginia to Florida starting about five years ago.

    The pilots appear in a six-part History Channel series premiering Friday called "Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation."

    Lieutenants Ryan Graves and Danny Accoin, both F/A-18 Super Hornet pilots, recently told the New York Times they've seen unidentified objects that they cannot explain flying up to 30,000 feet in the air. The strange objects appeared almost daily and had no exhaust or engine plumes, the Times reported.

    "These things would be out there all day," Graves told the Times. "Keeping an aircraft in the air requires a significant amount of energy. With the speeds we observed, 12 hours in the air is 11 hours longer than we'd expect."

    Navy spokespeople did not respond to questions from The Virginian-Pilot on Wednesday.

    The accounts come a month after the Navy acknowledged that it drafted new rules for reporting such sightings. Reports documented "unauthorized and/or unidentified aircraft entering various military-controlled ranges and designated air space in recent years," officials said in a statement to Politico, which first reported the changes.

    Graves' experiences started in summer 2014, he told the Times, when the squadron was training off the USS Theodore Roosevelt. Objects, which the pilots would first ignore as false radar tracks, showed up from sea level to up to 30,000 feet, sometimes at hypersonic speeds, the Times reported.

    Accoin told the newspaper he once set his plane to merge with the object. "He should have been able to see it with his helmet camera, but could not, even though his radar told him it was there," the Times wrote.

    The pilots assumed the objects were part of a drone program, but started to doubt that when one, that looked "like a sphere encasing a cube," nearly collided with a pilot one day off the coast of Virginia Beach.

    They also noticed the objects could make sudden stops, starts and turns at hypersonic speed — something humans physically can't do.

    But they don't make any claims to know what they are.

    "We’re here to do a job, with excellence, not make up myths," Accoin told the Times.

    A declassified video of one 2015 incident, taken aboard a Super Hornet near the Florida coast, shows an unidentified, rotating object in the pilot's line of sight above the clouds. "Look at that thing!" a pilot says.

    Another video, taken at 25,000 feet aboard a fighter jet from the Roosevelt, shows a pilot trying to capture an object.

    "Whoa, got it!" he says. "What the (expletive) is that thing?"

    The military calls the objects unidentified aerial phenomena.

    The Pentagon first confirmed the existence of its Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, which investigates UFO reports, in 2017 in response to a Times investigation.

    That program, the Times reported, has also studied a 2004 incident in which two Navy jets encountered what pilots described as a giant white Tic Tac flying off the San Diego coast.
    https://pilotonline.com/news/militar...6f6739d95.html

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    The Navy Says Those UFO Videos Are Real

    And they were never meant to be released to the public.


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    In each case, the objects in the videos undertook aerial maneuvers that aren't possible with current aviation technology. In the 2004 incident, according to The New York Times, the objects "appeared suddenly at 80,000 feet, and then hurtled toward the sea, eventually stopping at 20,000 feet and hovering. Then they either dropped out of radar range or shot straight back up."

    Joseph Gradisher, official spokesperson for the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Information Warfare, told The Black Vault, an online repository of secret and otherwise classified documents, that the Navy "designates the objects contained in these videos as unidentified aerial phenomena."

    That terminology is important. "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" provides "the basic descriptor for the sightings/observations of unauthorized/unidentified aircraft/objects that have been observed entering/operating in the airspace of various military-controlled training ranges," Gradisher told The Black Vault.
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...o-videos-real/

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