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    I have seen million different maps about spread of Indo-European languages but never proper one about Uralic languages. As I dont whine, I act, so I made one. What do you think ? I noticed we have a new member with name Jaska, I'm especially interested what you think. Arrows are not supposed to be other than broad generalizations (ie. they dont follow river routes etc).
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    Correct ways in many cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Dominator View Post
    Correct ways in many cases.
    Thanks, I was not blind shooting . There should be hundred small arrows from all of those big arrows but I tried to keep it simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karhunkynsi View Post
    Thanks, I was not blind shooting . There should be hundred small arrows from all of those big arrows but I tried to keep it simple.
    You kept. Has anyone different ideas about the ways or arrows?

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    hey N carrying mong! This map was quite good

    But you could have added one more arrow. From C -> H direct route if you get it. Through the swamplands.

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    So you've thrown the Comb Ceramic = Finno-Ugric into the garbage disposal?

    What makes you put the various urheimat locations where you put them? Not saying I'm disagreeing at the moment, just interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zupan View Post
    hey N carrying mong! This map was quite good
    I'm actually I1d-mong.

    But you could have added one more arrow. From C -> H direct route if you get it. Through the swamplands.
    Yes I could have but that would actually be even more wrong than the G arrow. I could have spread the C-box much more to west (touching the Baltic sea). That would be pretty much correct but would have broken my nice dynamics, see: G arrow starts from the F arrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azvarohi View Post
    So you've thrown the Comb Ceramic = Finno-Ugric into the garbage disposal?
    Hahaa, archeologist looks at he language map

    Nope, these are not in any other historical perspective except: A -> (B,C,D) -> Rest. They represent linguistic split from Proto-Uralic, nothing else.

    My personal opinion is that CC = Finno-Ugric. Many disagree. This map how ever does not relate to that. No time frame here.

    What makes you put the various urheimat locations where you put them? Not saying I'm disagreeing at the moment, just interested.
    By the massive amount I've been through of scholarly literature about the subject. This is my personal view. Just to name few: Ramstedt, Janhunen, Marcantonio, Häkkinen, Mallory, Koivulehto, Helimsky, Castren etc.

    I have never seen anyone building a proper "spread map" of Uralic languages. So I had to build one.
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    You have placed the Uralic homeland way too west. According to the recent linguistic evidence the homeland is in the East of Urals, we have become back to square one.


    Besides, what makes you think Finns have approached the lands of modern Finland from South and not from the East via Carelia? It looks this all your "let's westernize" the origins of Finns-thingy. Is there really solid evidence that proto-Finnics would have taken such a swing via Baltics? I dount.

    Anyway, what was the anthrotype of proto-Uralic folk, were they mongoloids, as previously assumed?

    Other than that, really nice graphics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterThaGreat View Post
    You have placed the Uralic homeland way too west. According to the recent linguistic evidence the homeland is in the East of Urals, we have become back to square one.
    Actually I placed the Uralic Urheimat exactly where Jaakko Häkkinen, 2009, placed it (see pic):
    http://www.sgr.fi/susa/92/hakkinen.pdf

    According to you _Finns_ came from Northeast Asia around year 700 AD. You think you have any credibility to comment anything ?

    Besides, what makes you think Finns have approached the lands of modern Finland from South and not from the East via Carelia?
    "Finns" have come to Finland both through Karelian Isthmus and island hopping from Estonia. Arrows give only broad generilized direction for _language_ spread.

    It looks this all your "let's westernize" the origins of Finns-thingy. Is there really solid evidence that proto-Finnics would have taken such a swing via Baltics? I dount.
    Again Mr. "Finns came from Northeast Asia year 700 AD, Prof. Juha Janhunen told me so" can keep his wisdom to himself.

    Anyway, what was the anthrotype of proto-Uralic folk, were they mongoloids, as previously assumed?
    They looked like Dolph Lundgren, now get lost.
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    ^Jaahas,

    well is that proto-Uralic urmheit at the Eastern side of Urals? Coz' that what Juha Janhunen has assessed over the ancestral home of Uralics.

    I have never said, or atleast meant that Finns have come directly to the present day area's of Finland from Northern Asia, they have obviously come via Eastern shores of the Baltics around 0-400AD, according Aspelin the date is more later, I am sorry, incase you have I have expressed myself unclearly. And with "Finns" I obviously mean the founding population of Finns.
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