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  • British Empire

    5 8.47%
  • Mongol Empire

    2 3.39%
  • Russian Empire

    1 1.69%
  • Spanish Empire

    2 3.39%
  • Chinese Empire

    1 1.69%
  • Arab Empire

    3 5.08%
  • French Empire

    2 3.39%
  • Ottoman Empire

    6 10.17%
  • Portuguese Empire

    1 1.69%
  • Brazilian Empire

    0 0%
  • American Empire

    1 1.69%
  • Persian Empire

    3 5.08%
  • Japanese Empire

    1 1.69%
  • Seljuk Empire

    0 0%
  • Macedonian Empire

    1 1.69%
  • Roman/Byzantine Empire

    16 27.12%
  • Timurid/Mughal Empire

    0 0%
  • Hunnic Empire

    4 6.78%
  • Mexican Empire

    2 3.39%
  • OTHER (specify in thread)

    8 13.56%
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    So what?

    End result. How many people speak Greek today? 20 million? How many speak a language based on Latin? Or even English, which has a mostly Romance vocabulary? Rome's contributions to today's world are endless.

    Greeks of his day did not consider Alexander or Macedonians to be Greek. Macedonians were treated as a barbarian tribe. What is Alexander's legacy today, aside from a shitty Oliver Stone movie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfieb View Post
    So what?

    End result. How many people speak Greek today? 20 million? How many speak a language based on Latin? Or even English, which has a mostly Romance vocabulary? Rome's contributions to today's world are endless.

    Greeks of his day did not consider Alexander or Macedonians to be Greek. Macedonians were treated as a barbarian tribe. What is Alexander's legacy today, aside from a shitty Oliver Stone movie?
    End result.
    How many nations speak Latin?

    Apart from war and slavery Rome produced nothing that was not owed to Greek or Etruscan or Punic expertise. Even Roman law was of Greek inspiration.

    The best Roman Emperors were partly or wholly of non-Italian origin...Trajan, Hadrian, Marcus Aurelius, Septimius Severus, Diocletian, Constantine the Great, Justinian etc etc.

    Greek science and technology was frittered away or ignored by the Romans.
    Alexander and his Greek/Macedonian successors would have brought a new culture to western Europe with less war and slavery than the Romans.
    If only Alexander had nipped Roman power in the bud in the 4th century BCE.
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    The Vatican speaks Ecclesiastical Latin.

    Nobody speaks the Latin of Caesar's day, nor do they speak the Greek of Plato.

    Mind you, I have a great deal of Greek heritage and am proud to have ancestors from Syracuse, which was once the largest city in the Hellenistic world. It's just that, well, I have eyes.

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    Despite it's corruption, I somewhat admire the British Empire. I'm really not a fan of Empires, either.

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    I think all Europeans must be thankfull to Attila...Because,Attila started great migration,he forced Goths,Vandals,Gepids,Angls,Saxons etc. to migrate west...And then?Angls and Saxons got mixed and they made English ppl,Goths and native Celts got mixed and they got latinised by Romans by culture and language and they made Spanish ppl...If there is England,Spain,France,Germany or "Hun"gary,"Bulgar"ia today,it is because of Attila...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfieb View Post
    The Vatican speaks Ecclesiastical Latin.

    Nobody speaks the Latin of Caesar's day, nor do they speak the Greek of Plato.

    Mind you, I have a great deal of Greek heritage and am proud to have ancestors from Syracuse, which was once the largest city in the Hellenistic world. It's just that, well, I have eyes.
    If Alexander had turned west into Italy we would not be having this debate.

    Be very proud of your Greek heritage because the Romans turned vast swathes of Sicily into slave plantations to feed the idlers in Rome.

    Rome's problem was it didn't become Greek enough and made too little use of Greek science and technology.
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    Sicily's time in the Roman Empire didn't end with Odoacer, though. We were Byzantine (Eastern Roman) off-and-on for another 500 years!

    Not to mention that Sicilians were eventually granted Roman citizenship and treated the same as any Latinate Roman from the peninsula.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfieb View Post
    There were significant Latin populations in Sicily, Sardinia, and Southern Italy who remained loyal to the Empire. While that was part of Justinian's expansion, granted, they held on to those provinces for many centuries, in some parts until the late 11th century.
    Of course it remained part till 11th century, but also with significant Greek populations among the Latin ones. For example Greeks migrated at 7th century to South Italy. The opposite happened during 9th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfieb View Post
    So what?

    End result. How many people speak Greek today? 20 million? How many speak a language based on Latin? Or even English, which has a mostly Romance vocabulary? Rome's contributions to today's world are endless.

    Greeks of his day did not consider Alexander or Macedonians to be Greek. Macedonians were treated as a barbarian tribe. What is Alexander's legacy today, aside from a shitty Oliver Stone movie?
    Language doesn't really matter anyway, especially when the language of a particular group is superimposed all over the place. I'll give you an example. Arabic is spoken by around 300-400 million individuals, but Arab genes (i.e., straight from the Arabian peninsula) do not cover such a vast demographic. On the other hand, very few people speak Mongolian, but in terms of raw power, the Mongol Empire was a lot larger and more powerful than the Islamic Caliphate.

    At the end of the day it isn't about the language—which is merely a means of communication—what matters is how much revolution, change and impact the empire had upon the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by kalebman5000 View Post
    Despite it's corruption, I somewhat admire the British Empire. I'm really not a fan of Empires, either.
    All empires are corrupt anyway; corruption is necessary to keep the empire(s) together as most empires are more often than not somehow or some way against the will of the common people.

    That said, my favourite empire, for all its flaws, serious degeneration and disappointments, is the Neo-Assyrian Empire, obviously, as I'm biased, but also because it was the first real empire in history.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Assyrian_Empire

    Swedish-American Iranologist Richard Nelson Frye explains this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KesgkBziUs

    The first empire in history was actually that of Sargon of Akkad, but his empire wasn't very organised and it was more about fast and brutal conquests, whereas the Neo-Assyrian Empire was more like that of a modern organised state. More importantly, it was the first original empire with a major library containing everything from government files to cultural literature and so on and so forth.
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