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    The aztecs. Nothing can top an empire. It took the combined might of the spaniards + the other mexican tribes to bring them down.

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    I'll go with the Lakota Sioux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Andullero View Post
    The aztecs. Nothing can top an empire. It took the combined might of the spaniards + the other mexican tribes to bring them down.
    Plain and simple - The MAYA............

    - The Ancient temples and ruins
    - The writing and numerical system
    - Most have never been fully conquered by the Spanish or English, they were just Christianized
    - Still running 7 million strong
    - Did you see "Apocalypto"?....

    This is really no contest...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgbk87 View Post
    Plain and simple - The MAYA............

    - The Ancient temples and ruins
    The aztecs have those, too. Can any mayan city be compared with Tenochtitlan?

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    - The writing and numerical system
    The aztecs also had that. Have you seen their calendar?

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    - Most have never been fully conquered by the Spanish or English, they were just Christianized
    They're second class citizens in their country today, so that is simply not true. If they wouldn't have been really conquered, Guatemala would speak mayan instead of spanish, and wouldn't have been genocided by the dictatorships that the white elite have imposed on them time and again, specially the one of Efrain Rios Montt. Plus, Guatemala would have the entire Yucatan peninsula as part of its territory instead of suffering the majority of it being part of Mexico or the existence of Belize, as it is the case today. That country needs some of the same mold as Lautaro/Caupolican like the south american mapuches had, not a Rigoberta Menchu.

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    - Still running 7 million strong
    This mean zilch when you're under the boots of a foreign descended elite and multinationals.

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    - Did you see "Apocalypto"?....
    Yes, and I wasn't impressed.

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    This is really no contest...
    Agreed.
    Last edited by El Andullero; 2011-03-19 at 01:17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annawon View Post
    The Powhatan fought all together a 17year war against the English. I'm guessing that was the longest.

    Anglo-Powhatan Wars
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    The aztecs fought to the death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminfrench View Post
    The aztecs fought to the death.
    Like the Powhatan didn't? Come on dude. So I guess there were no Aztec survivors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annawon View Post
    Like the Powhatan didn't? Come on dude. So I guess there were no Aztec survivors
    Its a general believe that the modern Mexicans are the "aztecs descendants" however thats pretty far from reality.

    In first place there's a general misconception regarding that the modern amerind and mexican mestizo descends from the aztecs and in fact they can be descendants of many other native ethnicities but the aztecs.

    The aztec was an ethnicity that came to the central valley of mexico proceeding from the north of the country so they had been of a margid and pacifid admix, once in the central valley they mixed with other ethnicities mainly of zentralid origin, such mix gave place to a new ethnicity:the Mexica, the real name for the aztecs.

    The mexica empire got exterminated and all those belonging to such ethnicity got killed during Tenochtitlan seige(chicken pox epidemia and the war itself for warriors prefered to die en combat than surrender), the remains of their people, mainly few women and children and elder left to the nierby villages and got blended in them some other got mix with spaniards, but they were in fact very few who survive.

    Now if you see a mexican indian or mestizo who says he's an aztec descendant you can laugh in his face cause he could descend of many other tribes but Aztecs who got extincted or assimilated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Multilingual View Post
    Yanomamo - today
    They are the Taino distant relatives, as the MTDNA C Comes from them.

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    The Aztec/Mexica were originally nomads from modern-day northwestern Mexico/southwestern U.S. who adopted cultural traits extensively from the thousands of years old Mesoamerican sedentary traditions (mostly from the Toltecs, who had significant cultural exchange with the Mayan city-states further east) and expanded upon settling in the Valley of Mexico.

    You could draw analogies between the Aztecs' ancestors and Central/Northeast Asian horsemen like the Manchus in China and the Turks of Anatolia in that they were nomadic 'barbarians' who established themselves as the dominant hegemonic force in their respective regions but became 'acculturated' by the peoples they conquered at the same time by adopting, preserving, and expanding upon the existing cultural continuity of the classic and early post-classic Mesoamerican civilizations a large extent. The reign of Ahuitzotl (1486-1502) in particular was a period of increased growth and expansion.

    Now back to the main topic, the Spaniards had a very hard time subdueing the northern Mexican tribes, they never achieved full control over many of them. Some of groups who eventually accepted some degree of colonial influence like the Mayo, Yaqui, and Pima of Chihuahua, Sinaloa and Sonora (Uto-Aztecan speakers like the Aztecs, albeit of a different branch), who revolted against the Vicerroyalty in several occasions to preserve their autonomy. These groups, particularly the Yaquis, remained fiercely independent in their mindset after Mexico was no longer under colonial rule and had violent clashes with Mexican authorities frequently throughout the 19th century and the first half of the 20th century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenochkatl View Post
    The Aztec/Mexica were originally nomads from modern-day northwestern Mexico/southwestern U.S. who adopted cultural traits extensively from the thousands of years old Mesoamerican sedentary traditions (mostly from the Toltecs, who had significant cultural exchange with the Mayan city-states further east) and expanded upon settling in the Valley of Mexico.

    You could draw analogies between the Aztecs' ancestors and Central/Northeast Asian horsemen like the Manchus in China and the Turks of Anatolia in that they were nomadic 'barbarians' who established themselves as the dominant hegemonic force in their respective regions but became 'acculturated' by the peoples they conquered at the same time by adopting, preserving, and expanding upon the existing cultural continuity of the classic and early post-classic Mesoamerican civilizations a large extent. The reign of Ahuitzotl (1486-1502) in particular was a period of increased growth and expansion.

    Now back to the main topic, the Spaniards had a very hard time subdueing the northern Mexican tribes, they never achieved full control over many of them. Some of groups who eventually accepted some degree of colonial influence like the Mayo, Yaqui, and Pima of Chihuahua, Sinaloa and Sonora (Uto-Aztecan speakers like the Aztecs, albeit of a different branch), who revolted against the Vicerroyalty in several occasions to preserve their autonomy. These groups, particularly the Yaquis, remained fiercely independent in their mindset after Mexico was no longer under colonial rule and had violent clashes with Mexican authorities frequently throughout the 19th century and the first half of the 20th century.
    Who held it down better, the Maya the Aztec, or the Inca???

    I think the Maya....

    Tulum, Tikal, Xunantunich, Caracol, Cahal Pech, Lamanai, Chichen Itza & Copan... Spread out through 5 Modern countries..Nuff said....

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