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    Default Is Sufism the most "reformed" branch of Islam?

    Is it the least militant and most "tolerant" branch?

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    It's the classical and formerly mainstream form - Afghanistan is entrenched in Sufi history; The original Taleban were of the Sufi belief, the great Poets, Pharmacists, Doctors et al. have been Sufi.

    As for 'least militants', they're no pacifists. The Naqshbandi Sufis - now very popular with the South Asians and one of the least diluted/distorted forms - were behind the revolt against the Soviet Union in Central Asia.

    In short, it's the best form of Islam as they're not ones who misconstrue Islam and are the antithesis of Wahabi'ism, but they're no cowards either and will take up arms if required.
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    Sufism is a turkic religion disguised within islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annihilus View Post
    Sufism is a turkic religion disguised within islam.
    wrong.

    THE ACTIVISM WITHIN

    How should we respond to this disorder? We must begin by remembering what Islam is for. As we noted earlier, our din is not, ultimately, a manual of rules which, when meticulously followed, becomes a passport to paradise. Instead, it is a package of social, intellectual and spiritual technology whose purpose is to cleanse the human heart. In the Qur'an, the Lord says that on the Day of Judgement, nothing will be of any use to us, except a sound heart (qalbun salim). [3] And in a famous hadith, the Prophet, upon whom be blessings and peace, says that
    "Verily in the body there is a piece of flesh. If it is sound, the body is all sound. If it is corrupt, the body is all corrupt. Verily, it is the heart.
    Mindful of this commandment, under which all the other commandments of Islam are subsumed, and which alone gives them meaning, the Islamic scholars have worked out a science, an ilm (science), of analysing the 'states' of the heart, and the methods of bringing it into this condition of soundness. In the fullness of time, this science acquired the name tasawwuf, in English 'Sufism' - a traditional label for what we might nowadays more intelligibly call 'Islamic psychology.'
    At this point, many hackles are raised and well-rehearsed objections voiced. It is vital to understand that mainstream Sufism is not, and never has been, a doctrinal system, or a school of thought - a madhhab. It is, instead, a set of insights and practices which operate within the various Islamic madhhabs; in other words, it is not a madhhab, it is an ilm. And like most of the other Islamic ulum, it was not known by name, or in its later developed form, in the age of the Prophet (upon him be blessings and peace) or his Companions. This does not make it less legitimate. There are many Islamic sciences which only took shape many years after the Prophetic age: usul al-fiqh, for instance, or the innumerable technical disciplines of hadith.
    http://www.islamfortoday.com/murad02.htm
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    What i find interesting about sufism is that some concepts dont seem to stem from the quran at all. I will be very surprised if it turns out that sufism orginated from islam alone. Rather i imagine in it to be a old spiritual teaching that adopted islam in a mere formal sense just to survive in the region.

    It is interesting though that sufism caused islam to spread to a certain extent, while those regions formerly sufi are now becoming more rigid and dogmatic.

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    from what ive learned in study its a mystical path within Islam..that has borrowed allot from both Christian aswel as Indian based religions to name but a few.. but it is ofcourse now fully integrated into Islam..and it is the most typical form of Islam (often called folk Islam), common outside the Arabic world.. such as Indonesia etc..which is the most populated Islamic country...

    but its worth noting that the majority of these ppl who adhere to the folk Islam Sufi style often follow practises that would be considered heretical in the Arab world..blending local customs with Islam...but for the most part it is still ofcourse Islamic..

    but i would not say that its a more peaceful way of expressing Islam, since allot of the various revolts found since old days have been lead by Sufi sheikhs..so in that respect it is not a pacifist path...but compared to say Wahhabi its ofcourse hippie bliss..


    to put in mildly, its complicated...

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    sufism isnt islam
    the entire sect is filled with innovation and deviation from the qur'an.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3aeshah View Post
    sufism isnt islam
    the entire sect is filled with innovation and deviation from the qur'an.

    I don't see what gives you the right to make such a judgement on a whole group of people who identify themselves as Muslim.
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    I find Sufism really interesting. In a way, I see the more liberal branch of Sufism to be concerned mainly with love. The basic teaching of Sufism is to master and control your ego, and realize that you and the Infinite Creator are not separate, but the apparent separation is just a temporary illusion, and in reality you are a tiny portion, or fragment, or extension of the One. Once you master and control the ego, you are given the ability by the infinite Creator to use the infinite intelligent energy to help others (service to others without expecting anything in return), which appears as if you are performing "miracles". In the past, Sufism was a reaction of Islamic conservatism against the Crusades, leading to forgetting the sciences and rushing headlong in to conflict. Al-Ghazali did encourage science, he said that, as long as math (or other sciences) does not stray away from Islamic teachings or opposes them, he is fine with that, which could be argued in putting clear limitations to where a scientific endeavor might go, especially knowing the clear laws in Islam about going against the "current", or opposing the main dogma. So in a way, this might have been a factor (among many others), in the decline of Islamic Golden Age and Civilization, add to this factor, the Crusades, which also forced them to divert attention to warfare science, more than normal everyday science. Sufis are not limited to only Islam, you can find Sufis in almost any religion or belief system. They all try to follow the Law of One (the message of Oneness of the Infinite Creator, and love/light), which was (according to them), the original uncorrupted divine message revealed/channeled to humans from the most ancient times. The corrupted versions of that original message of the Law of One became all the existing world religions, based on truth mixed with falsehood.

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