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    What do you think? Should foreigners be allowed to vote at any level in society?? (foreigner means non-citizen, not non-indigenous for your racists). My fiancee thinks that foreigners should be allowed to vote on local issues, if they pay taxes to the state, but not on national issues.

    Her father thinks that is insane, that foreigners should never be allowed to vote.

    I'm going to have to agree with her father. America does not allow foreigners to vote in any capacity...there are obvious reasons for this.

    As usual the socialist French speakers are the only Cantons that voted in favor of foreigners voting...

    The article is "rough" I ran it through google translator...it was originally in German.

    http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/31539338

    The voting citizens and voters of the two cantons have struggled again on Sunday, however, to allow people from other countries the right to vote.
    In Basel, submitted by a left-green initiative committee "voting and voting rights for migrants" with nearly 81 percent of the vote was surprisingly dropped significantly. Die Initiative wollte Ausländern in kantonalen Angelegenheiten zum Stimm- sowie zum aktiven und passiven Wahlrecht verhelfen. The initiative would help foreigners in cantonal matters related to voting and to vote and stand for election.

    Auch der restriktivere Gegenvorschlag scheiterte mit einem Nein- Stimmenanteil von 61 Prozent. Even the more restrictive counter-proposal failed with a "no" votes of 61 percent. Er sah neben dem Stimmrecht lediglich das aktive Wahlrecht vor und verlangte von Ausländern mindestens zehn Jahre ununterbrochenen Wohnsitz in der Schweiz, davon fünf Jahre in Basel-Stadt. He included not only the right to vote just before the right to vote and demanded that foreigners at least ten years of uninterrupted residence in Switzerland, including five years in Basel-Stadt. Den Initianten hätten fünf Jahr Wohnsitz in Basel gereicht. The founders had served five years of residence in Basel.

    In Basel-Stadt, das einen Ausländeranteil von über 32 Prozent hat, war eine erste Initiative für ein Ausländerstimmrecht 1994 verworfen worden. In Basel-Stadt, which has a student population of over 32 percent, a first initiative for an alien voting in 1994 had been discarded. Ein zweites Volksbegehren von 2000 zogen die Initianten 2004 zurück. A second referendum in 2000 moved back to the founders' 2004th Zur Diskussion stand ein Ausländerstimmrecht auch für die seit 2006 geltende Kantonsverfassung. For a discussion of voting rights was an alien for the current 2006 constitution. Es wurde jedoch aus dem Entwurf wieder gestrichen, um nicht das gesamte Grundgesetz zu gefährden. However, it was removed from the text again in order not to endanger the whole constitution.

    Klares Nein auch in Bern Definitely not in Bern

    Auch im Kanton Bern ist die Einführung des Ausländerstimmrechts erneut gescheitert. In the canton of Bern, the introduction of foreigners voting right has failed again. Am Sonntag sagten die Stimmberechtigten mit 72 Prozent deutlich Nein zur Initiative «zäme läbe - zäme schtimme», die den Gemeinden die freiwillige Einführung des Ausländerstimmrechts auf kommunaler Ebene ermöglicht hätte. On Sunday, voters said no to 72 percent, considerably initiative "zäme Läbe - zäme schtimme" to the municipalities to the voluntary adoption of the law would have allowed foreigners voting at the municipal level.

    Schon 1994 war eine Volksinitiative für ein Ausländer-Stimmrecht auf Kantons- und Gemeindeebene deutlich gescheitert. Back in 1994 a popular initiative for a foreigner voting rights at the cantonal and municipal level had clearly failed. 2005 nahm der Regierungsrat erfolglos einen neuen Anlauf und wollte es den einzelnen Gemeinden überlassen, ein Stimm- und Wahlrecht für Ausländer einzuführen - ein Anliegen, das nun auch via Initiative Schiffbruch erlitten hat. 2005, the Government unsuccessfully took a new start and it was left to individual communities to establish a voice and voting rights for foreigners - a concern that has now also suffered shipwreck via initiative.

    Pionierkantone Jura und Neuenburg Pioneer cantons Jura and Neuchatel

    In der Schweiz kennen einzig die Kantone Jura und Neuenburg das Stimmrecht und aktive Wahlrecht für Ausländer sowohl auf kantonaler wie auf kommunaler Ebene. In Switzerland, only the cantons of Jura and the right to vote and entitled to vote for foreigners to know both the cantonal and municipal level. In Neuenburg können sich Ausländerinnen und Ausländer jedoch nicht wählen lassen; im Kanton Jura hingegen schon - jedoch nur in Gemeindeparlamente. In Neuchâtel, foreigners can not choose but be, in the canton of Jura on the other hand already - but only in municipal parliaments. Die Kantone Freiburg und Waadt kennen ein Ausländerstimm- und wahlrecht auf Gemeindeebene. The cantons of Fribourg and Vaud know an alien voting and voting rights at the community level.

    In den Kantonen Graubünden und Appenzell Ausserrhoden können die Gemeinden selbst bestimmen, ob sie Ausländern ein Stimm- und Wahlrecht einräumen wollen. In the cantons of Graubünden and Appenzell Outer Rhodes, the municipalities can decide whether they want to give foreigners a voice and vote. In Appenzell Ausserrhoden kann die ausländische Bevölkerung in 3 von 20 Gemeinden von diesem Recht Gebrauch machen, in Graubünden in 12 von 186 Gemeinden. In Appenzell Outer Rhodes, the foreign population in 3 of 20 municipalities of exercise this right, in the Grisons in 12 of 186 municipalities.

    Im Kanton Genf dürfen Ausländerinnen und Ausländer wählen und abstimmen, jedoch nicht selbst gewählt werden. In the Canton of Geneva to elect foreigners to rate, but not even be elected. Und die beiden Basler Gemeinden Riehen und Bettingen sind seit dem Jahr 2006 ermächtigt, ein Stimrecht für Ausländer einzuführen, haben jedoch darauf verzichtet. (raa/sda) And the two communities Basel Riehen and Ingen since 2006 are hereby authorized, vocal introduce a law for foreigners, but have renounced it.

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    If they are permanent residents perhaps.

    To be honest though I would fully respect the Swiss' decision whatever way, it's their nation, their democracy.

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    How many permanent residents are there in Swtizerland? What's their share of the population and of foreign-born people in general?
    But the peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.

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    I agree with your soon-to-be father-in-law.

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    Why is the Western world obsessed with being so fucking liberal?

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    Only citizens are allowed to vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incanal View Post
    Only citizens are allowed to vote.
    That not always true, there are other nations in Europe that allow limited voting rights to foreign residents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm Z View Post
    How many permanent residents are there in Swtizerland? What's their share of the population and of foreign-born people in general?
    Not sure, I think there are like 2 million foreigners in Switzerland, but not sure their status...the Swiss population (citizens) is about 7 million. I'm guessing a good deal of those foreigners (likely half) are German, French, and Italian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackKnightstick View Post
    That not always true, there are other nations in Europe that allow limited voting rights to foreign residents.
    Foreigners in Sweden are allowed to vote in local and county council if they have been here for three years. There is also claimed that an American (citizen) woman received a ballot "under the table" for the parliament election earlier this month. But there is of course no such proof of that (I wouldn't be surprised if it was true though...).
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    Is that true? I have similar dreams, though about eugenics... I see images and craniums in front of me in the dreams. Words like sterilization, Germanics and others fly around as fragments in my head... scary stuff that I often dream about.

    Then I go up, and look at myself in profile and from the front and in all angles, in all my mirrors that I have mounted up everywhere, and realise my Mongolian heritage and how the Swedes view me. Sometimes I cannot see the difference between myself and a Mongol, if the environment is cloudy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    Foreigners in Sweden are allowed to vote in local and county council if they have been here for three years. There is also claimed that an American (citizen) woman received a ballot "under the table" for the parliament election earlier this month. But there is of course no such proof of that (I wouldn't be surprised if it was true though...).
    Since America protects Europe, we should be able to vote in any European election at any time we wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackKnightstick View Post
    Since America protects Europe, we should be able to vote in any European election at any time we wish.
    I know it's a joke, but even jokes should have an element of truth about them.

    Since when and from what?

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