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    Wonder what the resident Proto-Semite has to say about this. I thought unmixed Egyptians were supposed to be Abusir with less/zero Chl?

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    As far as Ancient Egypt is of concern, something roughly similar to the samples from Abusir El Malaq with less (or even zero) Iran_Chl-like ancestry.
    In your view, does this prove you wrong, or is it just a coincidence () that M1 is absent in one of the three subsamples from Abusir, and rare overall?

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    So in your opinion, mtDNA M1a1 has no role in the non-Slave admixture in ancient Egyptians, yes or no? Because the SSA admixture in Copts predates the Islamic slave trade, and they have little to no SSA admixture from Bantus and the like, so some mtDNA and Y-DNA lineages should represent the SSA admixture in Copts and the Abusir mummies; and I don't see why the M1a1 in this study, shouldn't be representative of that. 12th dynasty Egypt, was between 1991 to 1802 BC, so yeah, I'd say M1a1 fits very well with the eastern SSA admixture in Roman era Egyptians. Especially given its links to modern Horners (and ancient Nubians?).
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    M1 is what I'd call a "vanilla" Afro-Asiatic lineage . It has nothing to do with SSA (i.e., Niger-Congo, Bantu and/or Nilo-Saharan) admixture of any sort. It is hardly surprising to find it in Ancient Egypt.

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    In your view, does this prove you wrong, or is it just a coincidence () that M1 is absent in one of the three subsamples from Abusir, and rare overall?
    What are you talking about? M1 has been found in one the three Abusir samples!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power77 View Post
    M1 is what I'd call a "vanilla" Afro-Asiatic lineage . It has nothing to do with SSA (i.e., Niger-Congo, Bantu and/or Nilo-Saharan) admixture of any sort. It is hardly surprising to find it in Ancient Egypt.
    Is it found in non-Horner SSAs? Even so, M1a1 could possibly represent some SSA gene flow from Afro-Asiatic Horners to ancient Egyptians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Is it found in non-Horner SSAs? Even so, M1a1 could possibly represent some SSA gene flow from Afro-Asiatic Horners to ancient Egyptians.
    It is only found in SSA populations with known Afro-Asiatic admixture such as Massais, Tutsis, and Fulanis. It is usually found alongside other AA-assiociated markers like N1a (i.e., Massais and Tutsis) and U6 (i.e., Fulanis) among such populations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power77 View Post
    M1 is what I'd call a "vanilla" Afro-Asiatic lineage . It has nothing to do with SSA (i.e., Niger-Congo, Bantu and/or Nilo-Saharan) admixture of any sort. It is hardly surprising to find it in Ancient Egypt.



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    Do you know the meaning of the word SSA? Why are you and others so obsessed with Bantus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasekemwy View Post
    Do you know the meaning of the word SSA? Why are you and others so obsessed with Bantus?
    I know the meaning of the word "SSA". Why are you and others obsessed with Ancient Egyptians?
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    Power77 is retarded, M1a is found in Nilotics and as well as Afro-Asiatic speaking East and Northeast Africans and its presence in Middle Eastern people is a signal of East African ancestry, not as Eurasian ancestry so any premise of M1a being a "vanilla" mtDNA marker is retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power77 View Post
    I know the meaning of SSA. Why are you and others obsessed with Ancient Egyptians?
    Ancient Egypt was one of the world's first state, as oppossed to city state. It left behind a rich culture, history, and monuments. That is enough reason to be interested in it. I am also generally interested in African civilizations. Stop lowering the quality of discussions on this forum with your racist Bantu obsession. If you are so obsessed with Bantus, go watch the old Shaka Zulu series.

    You are seriously coming across as mentally defective!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Game Theory View Post
    Power77 is retarded, M1a is found in Nilotics and as well as Afro-Asiatic speaking East and Northeast Africans and its presence in Middle Eastern people is a signal of East African ancestry, not as Eurasian ancestry so any premise of M1a being a "vanilla" mtDNA marker is retarded.
    You are the one who's retarded! M1a is found in AA-admixed Nilotics such as the Massai. Its presence in Middle Eastern people is a signal of their AA (and not Sub-Saharan East African as you clearly imply!) heritage. Also, the word "vanilla" can be used as an expression for "typical". It does not mean "White" in this context.

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