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    Quote Originally Posted by Mary View Post
    The only thing I am trying to show is I perceive that slavs think and relate. One of those things is that slavs is obsessed with their genes (you being a living example) whereas Brits for instance are not. The Brit on this forum just showed us this very fact!
    In fact, it's almost impossible to encourage Poles to get interested in their genetic ancestry. If not for my blog there'd be very little information about Polish genetics online. There are about 50 million Poles around the world, and none of them has bothered to do something similar in this day and age.

    Btw, people of British and Western European ancestry are by far the most numerous customers at all major genetic companies.



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    Just a map from wikipedia that show the some what general spread of european slavic people.

    Light green = West Slavic
    Green = East Slavic
    Dark green = South Slavic

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    The looks, culture, mentality and behaviour varies greatly among slavic people though. Just saying because I think there are some very generalizing statements about the slavs.
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    How do you Poles, Russians etc. view Balkanoid Slavic populations? Do you consider them Slavs or pseudo-Slavs who shifted language to Slavic languages?

    Just asking because I'm curious, not insinuating anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    In fact, it's almost impossible to encourage Poles to get interested in their genetic ancestry. If not for my blog there'd be very little information about Polish genetics online. There are about 50 million Poles around the world, and none of them has bothered to do something similar in this day and age.
    Hey man, I know the feeling. It's the same with Assyrians.
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    Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    How do you Poles, Russians etc. view Balkanoid Slavic populations? Do you consider them Slavs or pseudo-Slavs who shifted language to Slavic languages?

    Just asking because I'm curious, not insinuating anything.
    I only view Poles as Slavs. The further away from Poland, the more "exotic" the other Slavs seem to me, and to be honest, not particularly Slavic.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mary View Post
    I'm not at all interested in miraculously "re-uniting" all slavic peoples. God forbid!
    That's a relief, keep the T34 in the garage.

    I guess you're right in the fact that Austria-Hungary was a in chapter of its own. Do you think the Pole percieves it that way? You're a western European. A genuine European will not bother with his "europeanness" and proving to others just how european he is. The non-european slavs will. They will strongly repel Russians like me, claiming that we have absolutely nothing in common.
    Do you not think there's an historic cultural fault line between Eastern (byzantine) Orthodox and Western (roman) Catholic? Poles, Czechs, Croats etc. belonging in the latter. I'm a pagan atheist of dual Protestant ancestry, BTW.

    It's about culture and spirit also. You obviously have a "white european" spirit, acknowledging that there is a difference between different western europeans. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't really care too much about being "White European", do you? The European spirit lies among other things in not caring about such things. Anglo-Saxons especially, I think, don't have the whole "racial" thing. I don't think your average slav has ever heard of the different peoples of the British Isles, and that some speak different ancient languages like Gaelic and Cornish.

    On the other hand, if I ask you whether you consider yourself closer, either culturally, spiritually or racially, to Poles or Germans, what would you say?

    Suddenly this got very politically incorrect.
    I grew up in East Britland and at 1.60m with an easily tanned skin I was somewhat atypical so it's not so much a case of not caring about the "White European" thing, more that those who looked and cared about it didn't include me. Now I've moved west there's a bit more indigenous phenotypic diversity and I pass without comment.
    I've had German & Polish (emigre) friends in my youth and as individuals I don't think there's too much in it, they differ from average Brits a bit but not insurmountably. I've not yet met any Russians for comparison, if there is "Slavic" passion it's probably not that different from West British (pseudo-Celtic) when compared with East British (so-called Germanic) phlegm.
    The only significant human differences are those insoluble in alcohol. I hope you're liking UK and please drink a toast to political incorrectness with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    How do you Poles, Russians etc. view Balkanoid Slavic populations? Do you consider them Slavs or pseudo-Slavs who shifted language to Slavic languages?
    Overwhelming majority of common people do not know/understand lore about linguistic group, genetic relations and so on, so i doubt a concept of "pseudo-Slavs who shifted language to Slavic languages" ever came to their heads.



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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    How do you Poles, Russians etc. view Balkanoid Slavic populations? Do you consider them Slavs or pseudo-Slavs who shifted language to Slavic languages?

    Just asking because I'm curious, not insinuating anything.Hey man, I know the feeling. It's the same with Assyrians.

    Well, they are still slavs in my opinion. Just look at the fact that I as a Russian can more or less understand languages as diverse as Polish and Bulgarian. Culturally and spiritually I personally see other slavs as closer to us than to Europe. They on the other hand, will not agree with me.

    I think a lot of Russians view them as psuedo-slavs. Even Russians that live in Moldova are seen as "those Moldovans", whereas, I think Romanians would consider Moldovans simply "Romanians". I've met all kinds of slavs and I think that Serbs are the slavs that differ the most from Russians. I can for instance only understand Serbian in written word, not in speech.

    Ok, that's it for today folks. I'll be back either tomorrow or the day after.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    I only view Poles as Slavs. The further away from Poland, the more "exotic" the other Slavs seem to me, and to be honest, not particularly Slavic.
    Pfffff, what an over pretentious statement, which is based on what? History, genetics, lingustics, folklore, name-it-yourself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxim View Post
    Pfffff, what an over pretentious statement, which is based on what? History, genetics, lingustics, folklore, name-it-yourself?
    No catholics are slavs by definition. Put Polako on ignore

    Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
    In fact, they are not even the Europeans in strict sense, meaning European as in bearing the responsibility and understanding of European interests. Poland has always been an subordinate country, on one side sucking German dick, on the other side -- Russian one, some kind of "novice" europeans, who are full of inferiority complexes, hysteria and obsessity neuroses. This is also true for all Baltic countries
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