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    I will post this in Iranology because it is about formation of East-Iranian peoples.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoeuropeans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otenor View Post
    I will post this in Iranology because it is about formation of East-Iranian peoples.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoeuropeans
    Meh...that's a pretty crazy Wiki entry. There's actually no evidence of any migration of such Paleoeuropeans from Ukraine to Central Europe during the Copper and early Bronze Age (ie. Proto-Indo-European period).

    There were indeed contacts between Eastern and Central Europe, but the large scale migrations actually went from west to east, with the movement of the ultra-leptomorphic Corded Ware folk into the forest-steppe zone of Russia. These groups then helped to form the proto-Indo-Iranian tribes of the Timber Grave and Andronovo cultures, along with the more robust Eastern Europeans, in Ukraine and southern Russia.

    As for the Eastern Iranians, it's unlikely they had a large amount of this Northern/Eastern Europid element in their ranks...

    In the Pamirs there was a special situation. The Saka of the Pamirs belonged to the dolichcocranic narrow-faced Indo-Afghan type of the eastern branch of the Mediterranean race. This type was present here already in the Bronze Age.
    Elena E. Kuz'mina, James P. Mallory (Editor), The Origin of the Indo-Iranians, Vol. 3, Barnes & Noble, 2007

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    Nice picture of coloured Yuezi statue from Otenor's wiki-article

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ezi_statue.jpg

    According to article it was found from Uzbekistan. Dated to 1st century BC.

    Article does not give reference to pic so it might be reliable or not.

    Otherwise article seem to be straight out from the fantastic school of Slavo-Aryan history writing. It even makes assumption that HG R1a1 was born in a man who was the first speaker of Indo-European. Now we know that proto-Indo-European was not a language but a bloke. How nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    As for the Eastern Iranians, it's unlikely they had a large amount of this Northern/Eastern Europid element in their ranks...



    Elena E. Kuz'mina, James P. Mallory (Editor), The Origin of the Indo-Iranians, Vol. 3, Barnes & Noble, 2007
    Thats true. That region was originally inhabited by Irano-Afghan Mediterranean, who mixed with the others

    ---------- Post added 2010-04-12 at 18:23 ----------

    There was also another article --Pamir-Fergana race
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamir-Fergana_race
    But it was edited by somebody-----you can preview the version by Math920 in the history of the article.

    ---------- Post added 2010-04-12 at 18:25 ----------

    And also "West Asian race" is in my opinion-- Armenoid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karhunkynsi View Post
    Nice picture of coloured Yuezi statue from Otenor's wiki-article

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ezi_statue.jpg

    According to article it was found from Uzbekistan. Dated to 1st century BC.

    Article does not give reference to pic so it might be reliable or not.
    It comes from some book called The Secret History of the Tatars, by A. Bayar.

    If real, this statue would be a pretty mind blowing discovery in the context of the latest ancient DNA results from that part of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    If real, this statue would be a pretty mind blowing discovery in the context of the latest ancient DNA results from that part of the world.
    The Statue looks like Norwegian skilegend Björn Dählie

    http://www.nyteknik.se/multimedia/dy..._41565i143.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karhunkynsi View Post
    The Statue looks like Norwegian skilegend Björn Dählie

    http://www.nyteknik.se/multimedia/dy..._41565i143.jpg
    Norwegian dude look like a narrow faced long skulled Nordic, while Yuezhis(Kushans) are claimed to be brachycephalic...
    I have found another source for that picture. It seems to be statue from Khalchayan palace in Uzbekistan.
    http://www.sairamtour.com/news/gems/47.html
    And also appearance of light pigmented minority in the modern Middle East, Central Asia or northern India is not a surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otenor View Post
    Norwegian dude look like a narrow faced long skulled Nordic, while Yuezhis(Kushans) are claimed to be brachycephalic...
    I have found another source for that picture. It seems to be statue from Khalchayan palace in Uzbekistan.
    http://www.sairamtour.com/news/gems/47.html
    And also appearance of light pigmented minority in the modern Middle East, Central Asia or northern India is not a surprise.
    The early Indo-Iranians included individuals of both types, from the really long headed Corded types to much more robust and round headed ones, and everything in between.

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    Who the hell wrote this shitty Judeopedia article? It doesn't cite sources, it totally goes against NPOV and probably violates various wiki policies like no original research and shit like that. It will most likely be deleted or entirely rewritten.
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